Immigration and Customs Enforcement (I.C.E.)

[TIDE-HSV]

With all due respect, immigrants are counted in the census and the counts are used to apportion house seats, so yes, it will have an effect on elections. It all boils down to how big of an affect and which party would benefit the most from the immigrant vote.

"Immigrant vote?"

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I'm not sure what pigmentation would have to do with the ability to perform hard, physical labor. It's just plain hard work to do landscaping, construction, type jobs regardless of your skin color. Sunscreen can limit the damage from UV rays. The reason most Americans don't want to do these jobs is because it's hard to make a living off the money the business owners are willing to pay and you are competing against a cadre of people who bring nothing to the table, skill-wise, other than a working human body.

Sure it does. They don't even bother with it and 15 minutes on a southern roof in summer will do away with all the sunscreen a redhead could slather on...

 

[Huckleberry]

With all due respect, immigrants are counted in the census and the counts are used to apportion house seats, so yes, it will have an effect on elections. It all boils down to how big of an affect and which party would benefit the most from the immigrant vote.

Please elaborate on this "immigrant vote." Are you referring to naturalized citizens or repeating the false MAGA claim that non-citizen immigrants can vote?

 

[AWRTR]

Could you please clarify the relationship between the work visa program and asylum? They are entirely separate entities, and you seem to be missing that point.
Yes, the work visa program is essential, but it is unrelated to asylum.

Asylum needs to be curtailed extensively. It’s been taken advantage of. We need to funnel people towards a guest worker program where people are vetted and everything is above board. This allows us to set the rules for renewals and removals. Number and employment needs can be considered. It allows us to take advantage of the highly educated population that would like to come here. Everyone wins in that scenario. It also allows companies that have employment needs in the service industry or the like to have a pool of employees that have to be paid above board, have osha protections, workers comp, and other worker protections. My gripe isn’t with immigration it’s with uncontrolled immigration.

 

[AWRTR]

My original reply (that you’ve replied to) was to a poster who wanted to put all asylum seekers in jail at the time of their asylum application. You can see that post on the previous page.



Tom Homan is lying (which is unfortunately typical of this Administration).
Here are the numbers. ~35% are being granted asylum.

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Source:

Asylum Grant Rates Decline by a Third

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It’s not jail. It’s holding them until their status is decided. If they don’t like the system don’t come. Your hyperbole is fun.

 

[AWRTR]

Indeed, if this were true Texas would have stayed blue all this time...

It moves a seat around here or there. Texas and cali get one or two extra seats. Alabama loses one by estimates.

 

[jthomas666]

It’s not jail. It’s holding them until their status is decided. If they don’t like the system don’t come. Your hyperbole is fun.

Would you prefer "internment centers"? "Concentration camps"? "gulags"? "processing facilities"? "Chuck E Cheese"?

Please let us know what label will not offend your delicate sensibilities.

 

[AWRTR]

Would you prefer "internment centers"? "Concentration camps"? "gulags"? "processing facilities"? "Chuck E Cheese"?

Please let us know what label will not offend your delicate sensibilities.

My sensibilities aren’t the problem, obviously.

 

[crimsonaudio]

It’s not jail. It’s holding them until their status is decided. If they don’t like the system don’t come. Your hyperbole is fun.

Especially considering that we're not required to offer asylum, we do so of our own volition.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Would you prefer "internment centers"? "Concentration camps"? "gulags"? "processing facilities"? "Chuck E Cheese"?

Please let us know what label will not offend your delicate sensibilities.

Call it whatever you wish.

They can also 'remain in Mexico'.

Either way, we're not required to do anything for those seeking asylum. Considering a majority of those seeking asylum (regardless as to which numbers you believe) are denied, the reality is the majority are trying to game the system.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Particularly with continuing climate shift, I honestly question whether average white Americans, with average pigmentation, can even do some of the jobs where immigrants are found. I'm thinking of construction, field work, that sort of thing...

If you’re hungry enough, you can do damn near anything.

 

[bamacpa]

‘Don’t be sad’: Alabama father detained by ICE while his 4-year-old battles leukemia

The child's mother also is facing potential removal from the United States.

www.al.com

Do yall feel safer now ? Does this free up a job for you or your loved ones ?

 

[75thru79]

Please elaborate on this "immigrant vote." Are you referring to naturalized citizens or repeating the false MAGA claim that non-citizen immigrants can vote?

This reminds me of the exercise where you put everyone in a circle, whisper something in the first person's ear and then ask them to pass it along to the next and so forth. Who knows what the story is when the last person in the circle hears.

Where did I say immigrants can vote? I simply said they are counted in the census and the census is used to apportion the House. So, indirectly they can affect elections if those "new" house seats go to what used to be "purple" areas that have now become blue areas. That's all folks. I didn't claim immigrants were on the grassy knoll nor that immigrants faked the moon landing.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

This reminds me of the exercise where you put everyone in a circle, whisper something in the first person's ear and then ask them to pass it along to the next and so forth. Who knows what the story is when the last person in the circle hears.

Where did I say immigrants can vote? I simply said they are counted in the census and the census is used to apportion the House. So, indirectly they can affect elections if those "new" house seats go to what used to be "purple" areas that have now become blue areas. That's all folks. I didn't claim immigrants were on the grassy knoll nor that immigrants faked the moon landing.

Yeah, but your tone gives it away. You clearly believe that Immigrants faked the moon landing.

 

[Its On A Slab]

‘Don’t be sad’: Alabama father detained by ICE while his 4-year-old battles leukemia

The child's mother also is facing potential removal from the United States.

www.al.com

Do yall feel safer now ? Does this free up a job for you or your loved ones ?

My kid cain't get a job roofin', fruit-pickin', meat-packin', or layin' sod.

Too many them lazy 'Meskins taking up all the slots.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

‘Don’t be sad’: Alabama father detained by ICE while his 4-year-old battles leukemia

The child's mother also is facing potential removal from the United States.

www.al.com

Do yall feel safer now ? Does this free up a job for you or your loved ones ?

I would ask why don't you pick up a broader brush, but I think you're currently holding the biggest one ever.

 

[Huckleberry]

This reminds me of the exercise where you put everyone in a circle, whisper something in the first person's ear and then ask them to pass it along to the next and so forth. Who knows what the story is when the last person in the circle hears.

Where did I say immigrants can vote? I simply said they are counted in the census and the census is used to apportion the House. So, indirectly they can affect elections if those "new" house seats go to what used to be "purple" areas that have now become blue areas. That's all folks. I didn't claim immigrants were on the grassy knoll nor that immigrants faked the moon landing.

Needless sarcasm aside, thanks for clarifying.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

If you’re hungry enough, you can do damn near anything.

Yes, the Great Depression proved that, CCC, WPA, etc. We're not at that point, and I hope we don't reach it...

 

[some_al_fan]

This reminds me of the exercise where you put everyone in a circle, whisper something in the first person's ear and then ask them to pass it along to the next and so forth. Who knows what the story is when the last person in the circle hears.

Where did I say immigrants can vote? I simply said they are counted in the census and the census is used to apportion the House. So, indirectly they can affect elections if those "new" house seats go to what used to be "purple" areas that have now become blue areas. That's all folks. I didn't claim immigrants were on the grassy knoll nor that immigrants faked the moon landing.

I knew exactly what you meant and asked you for the data to prove your point, since that myth was already debunked many times.
Here is the latest research paper on this subject:: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11811896/

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Since at least 1980, including undocumented residents in census data used for apportionment has had minimal impact on party representation in the US House of Representatives and on the outcome of presidential Electoral College votes. Arguments to the contrary rely on (ⅰ) projected apportionment populations and dubious estimates of the sizes of states’ undocumented resident populations and/or (ⅱ) unrealistic assumptions about how much the major political parties benefit or suffer from including undocumented residents in apportionment data.
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[RollTide_HTTR]

I agree, but when you have people volunteering and willing to do it (immigrants) then it throws a monkey wrench in the job market for the "lazy 'Mur-ruh-cuns" who selfishly won't do the same.

Before I got married, I lived in an apartment complex where a big part of the units were occupied by Mexicans. They would pile five, six, to seven people in a two-bedroom apartment and work for the construction companies and roofers in the area. They'd work for a much lower wage and no benefits. When you've got people within your field willing to do that, it puts you in a not-so-favorable position.

For sure. Seems like the Mexicans were also in a not-so-favorable position too