Brodie's NFL stock?

[blackumbrella]

He is 6'3 200, Undersized, yeah to Andre the Giant.

have you ever seen him in person (bc, not ander the giant)? i have, last year. i'm 6'1 220. bc is not as tall as me, and i'd be very surprised if he went more than 190. look here, i don't take pleasure from knocking bc, but realistically, how many current nfl starting qbs are--i'll be generous--6'2 200? michael vick and jeff garcia maybe?

 

[teamplayer]

He may not be forced to take a beating in the NFL. He may catch on as a 2nd or 3rd teamer and hold a clipboard most of his career. I'm sure his competitiveness would drive him for the number 1 spot, but making NFL money and signaling plays isn't a bad way to make a living.

 

[ihatefulmer]

i like brodie too, but...i mean...just look:

ward

detmer


dougie

I think your confussed by my post. In my 1st post I was more curious how BC will do in the Draft not how he will do in the NFL. Why we're on the subject though just because Flutie and Detmer hasn't ever been a regular starter in the pros both have been good enough to stick around for years. IMO, thats saying a lot. Ward chose the NBA over the NFL. If my memory is right I think he made it pretty clear that he wanted to play basketball and not football.

Rex Grossman was a 1st round pick he goes 6"1' and about 217 which is real close to BC's size. I dont remember the guys name who the Bears drafted in the 1st round out of UCLA a few years ago. I want to Mcnown (sp) or something like that. If BC stays healthy I see him going no later than the 3rd round.

I'm not sure if BC would be a guy you want to built your team around but if he could get with a Norv Turner type O that likes the power running game and the deep ball he could have some success. Can you imange BC throwing deep to Randy Moss!

BC BIG arm makes up for his lack of size. He has had a few balls knocked down at the line this year but those were mostly little dump off passes. I don't think he would have any trouble seeing over the LOS and he still could bulk up some more.


BC getting drafted high in the draft might help when we go after other high school QB's in years to come.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Brodie...

is about 6'1" and 190. He is a "hard gainer," and what weight he puts on over the summer falls off him in the course of the summer. Ward goes about a true 5'9" and Flutie is probably an inch shorter. Detmer might go a real 5'10". Brodie is significantly taller than that trio and has a stronger arm than any of them. He has shown some durability this season, particularly last week (although limping off and wearing a brace the rest of the year won't help). And - whoever intimated the UT DL wasn't an NFL line might want to re-think that after the draft. At the beginning of the season, I thought BC went undrafted. I no longer think that...

 

[blackumbrella]

I think your confussed by my post. In my 1st post I was more curious how BC will do in the Draft not how he will do in the NFL. Why we're on the subject though just because Flutie and Detmer hasn't ever been a regular starter in the pros both have been good enough to stick around for years. IMO, thats saying a lot. Ward chose the NBA over the NFL. If my memory is right I think he made it pretty clear that he wanted to play basketball and not football.

Rex Grossman was a 1st round pick he goes 6"1' and about 217 which is real close to BC's size. I dont remember the guys name who the Bears drafted in the 1st round out of UCLA a few years ago. I want to Mcnown (sp) or something like that. If BC stays healthy I see him going no later than the 3rd round.

I'm not sure if BC would be a guy you want to built your team around but if he could get with a Norv Turner type O that likes the power running game and the deep ball he could have some success. Can you imange BC throwing deep to Randy Moss!

BC BIG arm makes up for his lack of size. He has had a few balls knocked down at the line this year but those were mostly little dump off passes. I don't think he would have any trouble seeing over the LOS and he still could bulk up some more.


BC getting drafted high in the draft might help when we go after other high school QB's in years to come.

agreed. i think he'll be drafted and we'll get to see him play some preseason ball, where, against 2nd and 3rd teamers, he'll probably impress. i really hope we see him staart somewhere, i just don't see it. i think, right or wrong, the nfl has a size fetish. bc is far more talented than jason campbell, but the skins gave up alot to take him in the first round, even though he had the clear benefit of playing defenses keyed to ronnie brown and cadillac. if we keep playing well, i could see bc going in the third or fourth.

 

[RamJam]

I agree with Earle

 

[ZRossUA]

I have talked to Brodie before, and we are almost exactly the same height. I am 6'3. He is not 6'1, I would put a lot of money on that. I would not argue against him being closer to 190, but people on here are saying he is the same size as Ward and Flutie. That is what I was arguing against. He will be a 3rd round pick, and will be a 2nd string QB as a rookie. His arm strength makes up for ANY lack of size. Also, no one even said anything about my Brady comment. If the NFL counted on the opinions of people knocking people's size or physical makeup, maybe Montana or Brady would have never been drafted. I may not be even close to accurate about predicting Brodie's draft round, but I know he wont go undrafted like some people believe on this board.

 

[TommyMac]

It would really be helpful if Brodie would spend some serious time in S&C. He's plenty tall enough, just needs some muscle to pad those joints with. Snake realized that and did something about it.

Comparisons to Detmer and Ward are ridiculous. Those guys are smaller than Brodie and both would kill to have an arm like Brodie's. Heck, about half the starters in the NFL would kill to have an arm like Brodie's.

I love watching him gun the ball on those medium to deep sideline and crossing patterns, but he needs some work on the deep throws, which he tends to overthrow.

Given his character, arm and intelligence, I'd be surprised if he didn't go fairly early in the draft.

 

[Dogtown Darren]

Some say he had no chance in the pros???

seems to me I remember another Bama Q back with bad knees...some said he had little or no chance in the pros - Joe Namath

I guess that's why when he signed his ROOKIE contract he was the HIGHEST paid player in the AFL.

 

[TexasBammer]

Interesting Topic

You know, I was thinking. Would I rather have Jason Campbell(1st rounder) or Brodie Croyle running this team. I immediately thought Croyle. Like Earle, I didn't think he'd get drafted when the season started, but I think he definitely get drafted now. Throw in my homer factor, and I think it puts him around a 3rd rounder.

 

[rgw]

Drew Brees has been in the league a few years with no major injuries and he has just about the same body type as Croyle.

 

[ihatefulmer]

It would really be helpful if Brodie would spend some serious time in S&C. He's plenty tall enough, just needs some muscle to pad those joints with. Snake realized that and did something about it.

Comparisons to Detmer and Ward are ridiculous. Those guys are smaller than Brodie and both would kill to have an arm like Brodie's. Heck, about half the starters in the NFL would kill to have an arm like Brodie's.

I love watching him gun the ball on those medium to deep sideline and crossing patterns, but he needs some work on the deep throws, which he tends to overthrow.

Given his character, arm and intelligence, I'd be surprised if he didn't go fairly early in the draft.

but he needs some work on the deep throws, which he tends to overthrow.

Are you serious? If so I disagree with you 100%. The deep ball is what BC does the best. Yes he did miss on 2 open WR's agasint UT but what QB doesn't miss on some now and then. Look how many he hasn't missed on this year. I'd bet that he is over 50% on his deep balls (35+ yards) and being over 50% is way above average. I know we all have different opinons but I just dont see how you can seriously see BC needs to work on the deep ball. I probably got my crimson colored glasses on some what here but I've never and I mean never, at any level, seen a QB throw the deep ball on the money as well as Brodie Croyle. IMO, if he needs to work on any thing it's not throwing deep. I feel he looks for the deep WR to much.

 

[bamatude]

NFL players have their heart in the game? When did that start happening?

Come back of the year!!

 

[DeaconBlues]

I have talked to Brodie before, and we are almost exactly the same height. I am 6'3. He is not 6'1, I would put a lot of money on that. I would not argue against him being closer to 190, but people on here are saying he is the same size as Ward and Flutie. That is what I was arguing against. He will be a 3rd round pick, and will be a 2nd string QB as a rookie. His arm strength makes up for ANY lack of size. Also, no one even said anything about my Brady comment. If the NFL counted on the opinions of people knocking people's size or physical makeup, maybe Montana or Brady would have never been drafted. I may not be even close to accurate about predicting Brodie's draft round, but I know he wont go undrafted like some people believe on this board.

Okay, on your Brady comment:
Do you have the picture(s) you mentioned at the combines?
Brady is listed at 6'05", 225.

I'll stand by my earlier opinion that 20-30 more pounds would help Brodie
greatly, both immediately in the draft, and throughout an NFL season. Size is among numerous factors considered by scouts, coaches and GM's.
Height and weight will have a lot of affect on which round he is selected in,
and may be the only glaring negative that may be discussed among the pros.

I'm sure he will be chosen, and if he does want a shot at the NFL, I wish him the best to chosen by a team that's got a reasonable shot at winning, not to mention a good offensive line to prevent against an above-average Sunday beating that some NFL QB's have to take. (Brady has a fairly decent O-Line, BTW).

I'd like Croyle to come up here with the Titans myself! McNair can't last forever......

On the subject of the Pats O-Line, I was glad to learn that Wesley Britt was picked up by them onto their practice squad (I don't know when...). I missed the news of when he was let go by San Diego, and my last NFL search for him came up empty.

 

[TommyMac]

Are you serious? If so I disagree with you 100%. The deep ball is what BC does the best. Yes he did miss on 2 open WR's agasint UT but what QB doesn't miss on some now and then. Look how many he hasn't missed on this year. I'd bet that he is over 50% on his deep balls (35+ yards) and being over 50% is way above average. I know we all have different opinons but I just dont see how you can seriously see BC needs to work on the deep ball. I probably got my crimson colored glasses on some what here but I've never and I mean never, at any level, seen a QB throw the deep ball on the money as well as Brodie Croyle. IMO, if he needs to work on any thing it's not throwing deep. I feel he looks for the deep WR to much.

Well, it looks like we gonna have to agree to disagree. Your statement that Brodie is absolutely the best you've ever seen at any level pretty well tells me that I'd be wasting my time to debate it with you.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I think Brodie will adjust...

to DJ's speed with his deep ball. He's still throwing to Pro, and Pro is just about that one step faster than DJ. (That was my first thought when he overthrew the first deep one against UT.) If he'd been throwing to KB, he would have caught up with the ball. Nevertheless, that's up to Brodie to figure out...

 

[ihatefulmer]

Well, it looks like we gonna have to agree to disagree. Your statement that Brodie is absolutely the best you've ever seen at any level pretty well tells me that I'd be wasting my time to debate it with you.

I was talking about throwing the deep ball not all around QB.

 

[TommyMac]

I was talking about throwing the deep ball not all around QB.

I knew that was what you were talking about.

 

[Crimson Surfer]

Check out the pics of Joe Namath and Brodie Croyle together and tell me if you still think Brodie is too small to be an NFL QB.

TideSports.com College Football Preview w/ Namath/Croyle pics (PDF)

 

[blackumbrella]

Comparisons to Detmer and Ward are ridiculous.

agreed. those guys were heisman trophy winners

about half the starters in the NFL would kill to have an arm like Brodie's.

which half? chad pennington is the only one i can think of. brodie has a big arm, but not bigger than half the nfl starters. then again the strongest arm in the nfl is backing up mark brunell right now. i think bc can play at the next level, i just doubt that he'll get a fair shake, or, if he does, that he'll stay healthy.