Colorado Buffoons…

[Toddrn]

I'm sorry this is gonna sound so pedantic but just to clarify - you are aksing which BEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER became a GREAT COLLEGE FOOTBALL COACH - am I correct?

Pedantic is an insulting word used to describe someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details, or emphasizing their own expertise especially in some narrow or boring subject matter.

 

[cbi1972]

Pedantic is an insulting word used to describe someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details, or emphasizing their own expertise especially in some narrow or boring subject matter

If a little pedantry can be invoked to avoid 3 pages of nonsense between people who agree on a point but state it differently, I am for it

 

[Tidelines]

Pedantic is an insulting word used to describe someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details, or emphasizing their own expertise especially in some narrow or boring subject matter

Oh... I know alot of them.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Pedantic is an insulting word used to describe someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details, or emphasizing their own expertise especially in some narrow or boring subject matter

Well, ackshually.....

:O

 

[Crimson1967]

I read this as "among all of the great coaches, which was the best football player?"

NOT

"Who is the best coach that played football?"

If there was one better than Heisman winner and multiple national championship winner Steve Spurrier, I don't know who that would be.

Any other Heisman caliber players to also become great coaches?

That’s what I was trying to ask.

 

[Padreruf]

I cannot support SS as he was a quitter...walked out on USCeast. I'll have to go with Mike Ditka who won the Super Bowl as a player, assistant coach and Head Coach.

 

[Windsortide]

They have brought the people out to the field of dreams. Now let’s see if the work can be put in to develop a program. That won’t take long and as far as the players look no further than the monster NIL has created.

 

[Toddrn]

Oh... I know alot of them.

I bet some of them are on TideFans.

 

[Toddrn]

If a little pedantry can be invoked to avoid 3 pages of nonsense between people who agree on a point but state it differently, I am for it

What is an example of pedantry?


A pedantic person may do lots of annoying things, such as point out minor errors, correct people who make small mistakes, and brag about their own knowledge and expertise.

 

[Tidelines]

I bet some of them are on TideFans.

I didn't say that Actually, I like most everyone.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Well, one also needs to remember where Colorado was last year. In 2022, that team was 1-11 with its only win coming in overtime. Its losses were almost all 25-40 point blowouts. In 2023, they have won 4 games as opposed to one, and they also have been competitive.. 1 loss in OT, and 3 others by a TD or less. Given that Colorado quite possibly was the worst team in college football last year, one could say they have made progress this year. The question will be if they can move that progress to a bowl game next year and then compete in their conference after that.

I agree with you up to a point. Even in the days of NIL, we DO have to take the viewpoint of, "Look, he has to get his system in place and the players to run it." The greats lately - Saban, Smart, Stoops - have all been in the hunt in Year 2, and given he's not in the SEC, it's not unreasonable to expect CU to be a WINNING team next year if not a contender...if Sanders is actually any good.

On the other hand, Deion himself is the one who decided to call attention to his very first win and invoke race, apparently oblivious to the fact that the last CU head coach was also black.

But has Colorado REALLY improved? I mean REALLY?

I'm not so sure they have.

Let's look:

1) TCU
2022 - lost by 25
2023 - won by 3

TCU was a playoff team last year, but they also lost 31 guys from the Big 12 champions. And they're on the verge of going 5-7, so does this game REALLY mean anything to show Colorado is better? CU might be better, but they didn't beat 2022 TCU, either, they beat a team about at their level record-wise.

2) Oregon
2022 - lost by 39 on the road
2023 - lost by 36 at home

OK, a home field is considered a 3-point advantage, so that's a wash on first glance. Is Oregon BETTER or WORSE than last year?

Well, at this point last year they had two losses, a three-point loss to Washington and a 46-point wipeout to UGA. They have one loss this year - because they didn't play UGA and AGAIN lost to UW by 3.

So if Oregon is "the same".....how does this game show any actual improvement?

3) Arizona State
2022 - lost by 8 at home
2023 - won by 4 on road

ASU was 3-8 last year, 3-9 this year so this shows a bit of improvement.

4) USC
2022 - lost by 38 on road
2023 - lost by 7 at home

This would be substantial improvement...except USC was a playoff contender last year and a 5-loss team that was two plays from being a 7-loss team. So again - how substantial is this REALLY?

I'm not saying I dismiss it totally - it does show a level of improvement, but I'm not sure it shows as much as folks want to say, either.

5) UCLA
2022 - lost by 27 at home
2023 - lost by 12 on the road

UCLA was a 4-loss team last year and this, so this would be evidence of improvement. Of course, you also have to remember that in 2023, the UCLA game followed an OFF WEEK for Colorado, too.

6) Oregon State
2022 - lost by 33 on road
2023 - lost by 7 at home

Again, this suggests improvement as well.

However, the contraindications include:

1) TCU and Oregon - noted above

2) Losing Washington and Cal off the schedule and replacing them with Arizona and Wazzu
Wazzu is the worst team in the Pac-12 NOT named Colorado - and absolutely mauled them last week. Arizona is a decent team, and CU nearly beat them, so it's a mixed bag.

3) They replaced a loss to Air Force with a win over Colorado State
And seriously, CU should be so much better than CSU that it shouldn't take two overtimes to beat them. But does anyone here actually think Colorado would have beaten Air Force, who absolutely mauled CSU, 30-13? Granted, Air Force should never beat CU, but they did last year.

4) They replaced a Big Ten team who beat them (Minnesota) with one they beat (Nebraska).
Nebraska also had a new coach, and Minnesota and Nebraska are about the same team this year, but the win here was more because Minnesota was 9-4 last year and not so good this time.

OVERALL
It's hard for me to say that CU has improved with any degree of correlation in the data points. Remember, they're an ENTIRELY NEW team, Deion ran off the whole squad and these are his handpicked players. It would be difficult to: a) be worse; or b) be the same as last year's team.

They had one win last year - and didn't play that team this year. Yes, they've won four games to one in 2022 - but they picked up 2 of those wins because they traded out tougher opponents for easier ones, picked up another because TCU lost 31 players, and picked up one from a team that last year only beat them by one score. They have played better games against USC and UCLA - both teams that may lose their coaches by the way - than last year, but USC is nowhere as good as they were, either. And losing by 6 TDs to WASHINGTON STATE in a season where you aren't playing Top 10 Washington...and the game is in November...doesn't suggest your team is playing together or showing improvement. Closer losses MIGHT point in the direction of improvement, but this might all be smoke and mirrors, too.


I won't say he's doomed, but I also don't think he's showed nearly as much improvement as folks are suggesting, either.

 

[BamaBuc]

I suspect Prime will be a coach that can amass a TON of talented players but won't be able to get them to play like a team. He will likely recruit VERY well (confident, charismatic black man who will resonate with black kids) and probably scrape the portal for every 4 or 5 star who wants to start as a freshman. Odds are he will never have better than an 8 win season with all the talent he can get. He's not a coach IMO. He's a salesman.

Colorado's NIL Apparatus had better get ready to pay out BIG $$$, they're gonna need it!
Prime diddy we'll need it for a new roster! That and some assistant's that can get the player's to come together as a team...!
I watched three of their games, granted two vs superior teams, the other vs Colorado St., but I saw when they got down by two scores, they basically threw in the towel...!
Hollywood does not exist in Boulder, Co.

 

[BearFoot]

Pedantic is an insulting word used to describe someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details, or emphasizing their own expertise especially in some narrow or boring subject matter

You forgot to use a period at the end of your sentence.

 

[BamaBuc]

There were guys like Rockne and Neyland who were great athletes and coaches, but the game was very different back then.

Heck it's a lot different now than when I played, we didn't have a car grill across our face! Back then a running back gained his yardage on his own, not with 2/3 of the team pushing him along!

 

[Crimson1967]

2) Oregon
2022 - lost by 39 on the road
2023 - lost by 36 at home

OK, a home field is considered a 3-point advantage, so that's a wash on first glance. Is Oregon BETTER or WORSE than last year?

Would it be pedantic to point out that if home field is worth three points then it would have to be a 33 point loss this year for it to be a wash?

 

[bamaga]

I will admit I have not seen much of CU and Sanders this year. Being a great athlete however does not transfer into being a great, or even good coach. From what I have seen of CU this season is a team in transition that is undisciplined and poorly prepared, that falls on the HC and his staff. As others have said “the jury is still out” on Sandets and next year should give a better picture of Sanders and his football program.

Thing is , CU was very prepared and played disciplined, team ball the first 3 games. Then the media circus kicked in . Can we see a correlation?

 

[bamaga]

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[Ledsteplin]

Well, one also needs to remember where Colorado was last year. In 2022, that team was 1-11 with its only win coming in overtime. Its losses were almost all 25-40 point blowouts. In 2023, they have won 4 games as opposed to one, and they also have been competitive.. 1 loss in OT, and 3 others by a TD or less. Given that Colorado quite possibly was the worst team in college football last year, one could say they have made progress this year. The question will be if they can move that progress to a bowl game next year and then compete in their conference after that.

Didn't he do a wholesale clearance, bringing in a lot of new players? If so, then improvement of last year's team didn't have a lot to do with it.

 

[GulfCoastTider]

Thing is , CU was very prepared and played disciplined, team ball the first 3 games. Then the media circus kicked in . Can we see a correlation?

Media circus = rat poison. And rat poison is lifetime undefeated. The only way to avoid its fate is to just not let the team drink it.

From 1-11 to 3-0 to 1-8 (likely) to... starting over 0-0 in September 2024.

 

[CrimsonBloodn62]

Thing is , CU was very prepared and played disciplined, team ball the first 3 games. Then the media circus kicked in . Can we see a correlation?

The sideline circus Deion created by bringing in players that never played for Colorado didn't help either. I was sort of pulling for Colorado at first, but like others have said, the sideline show got old quick.