BREAKING Conservative Charlie Kirk Shot During Debate In Utah - part 2

[Its On A Slab]

I have read that the losing party is dead in just about every election in my life. But somehow they manage to rebound.

I will be the 1st to "both sides" this.

Both parties have shown that, when they hold the reins of power, they will screw it up.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Didn’t MAGA say we should do something with our feelings I can’t say here?

What's funny is conservatives have always been accused of - sometimes legit, often not - "lacking compassion." Trumpism has redefined conservatism as "the spending of liberals, the tax cuts of conservatives, and the compassion of the IRS."

 

[selmaborntidefan]

I will be the 1st to "both sides" this.

Both parties have shown that, when they hold the reins of power, they will screw it up.

That's partly because winning has more to do with being perceived "less bad" than the other "bad one."

 

[Its On A Slab]

Based on the people who usually attended Kirk's talk's, the hamsters were located somewhere else...

Are you saying that Kirk's admirers are FORG? (Friends Of Richard Gere)

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Based on the people who usually attended Kirk's talk's, the hamsters were located somewhere else...

Aight, this made me laugh out loud. I needed that this morning.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

 

[CrimsonNagus]

Freedom of speech and freedom to keep your job are not one in the same. I can tell my boss to kick rocks and shove it where the sun don't shine and I won't get arrested. Being employed at that establishment would more than likely be an issue.

I agree, and I have no issues with businesses that fire people for publicly celebrating Kirk's death. That is not silencing free speech, as there are always consequences for stupidity.

I do have a problem with the rhetoric from some Republicans about hunting these people down, ruining their lives, or throwing them in jail. This is exactly what the First Amendment protects against.

 

[AlexanderFan]

I will be the 1st to "both sides" this.

Both parties have shown that, when they hold the reins of power, they will screw it up.

Need a “Hallelujah!, Amen!” Emoji for this one.

Or an “I’ll drink to that!”

Either side always finds a way to alienate the middle that gets them elected.

 

[AlexanderFan]

I agree, and I have no issues with businesses that fire people for publicly celebrating Kirk's death. That is not silencing free speech, as there are always consequences for stupidity.

I do have a problem with the rhetoric from some Republicans about hunting these people down, ruining their lives, or throwing them in jail. This is exactly what the First Amendment protects against.

You’ve got a long line of doxing to get started on then, both sides of the aisle.

 

[Its On A Slab]

I agree, and I have no issues with businesses that fire people for publicly celebrating Kirk's death. That is not silencing free speech, as there are always consequences for stupidity.

I do have a problem with the rhetoric from some Republicans about hunting these people down, ruining their lives, or throwing them in jail. This is exactly what the First Amendment protects against.

The Pickering ruling has a lot of grey area in it. I used to think a public employee would be protected, but reading the ruling, I don't think so.

 

[Bazza]

 

[92tide]

I agree, and I have no issues with businesses that fire people for publicly celebrating Kirk's death. That is not silencing free speech, as there are always consequences for stupidity.

I do have a problem with the rhetoric from some Republicans about hunting these people down, ruining their lives, or throwing them in jail. This is exactly what the First Amendment protects against.

thing is “publicly celebrating” is doing a ton of heavy lifting and seems to mean saying anything negative at all

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I agree, and I have no issues with businesses that fire people for publicly celebrating Kirk's death. That is not silencing free speech, as there are always consequences for stupidity.

I do have a problem with the rhetoric from some Republicans about hunting these people down, ruining their lives, or throwing them in jail. This is exactly what the First Amendment protects against.

1000% this. Nobody (that I know of) is demanding that people mourn Charlie Kirk. The request is to not be an evil piece of crap who celebrates brutal murder. It seems like a low bar to me, but apparently it's too high for some. Still, the people who are justifiably angry about this sort of behavior need to scale their reactions back some. It is way too easy to become the very thing we claim to hold in contempt.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

But if you give your column a folksy name you are just the girl next door.

September 13, 2025

President Donald J.

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

In the wake of the murder of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk in Utah on Wednesday, the radical right is working to distort the country’s understanding of what happened. Long before any information emerged about who the shooter was, the president and prominent right-wing figures claimed that “the Left,” or Democrats, or just “THEY,” had assassinated Kirk.

But in fact, the alleged shooter was not someone on the left. The alleged killer, Tyler Robinson, is a young white man from a Republican, gun enthusiast family, who appears to have embraced the far right, disliking Kirk for being insufficiently radical.

Rather than grappling with reality, right-wing figures are using Kirk’s murder to prop up their fictional world.

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Now...if Heather won't tell the truth about 2025, why in the Hell would anyone listen to her musings about crap from 150 years ago when she wasn't alive?

This morning she's still going with:
Their evidence was the murder of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk last Wednesday in Utah, although the motive of the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, remains unclear

Of course, if these text messages had been just as revealing as they are in the opposite direction, Heather wouldn't be saying this, she'd have all the proof she needs.


The Horseshoe Theory again: she's become a Trumper in terms of what she considers evidence.

I take that back: she always was one.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

thing is “publicly celebrating” is doing a ton of heavy lifting and seems to mean saying anything negative at all

Yeah, there's a big difference between, "I'm glad somebody shot that so and so" and "you know, his death just really didn't make a difference to me one way or the other."

I mean, the death of a family member of mine will never matter as much to you as to me.

 

[mdb-tpet]

As I've been saying for years, Heather is a HACK, not a historian, who is supposed to tell the truth. Something about history making you uncomfortable.


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The phrase that kept coming up over the last several days was “make fetch happen.” It’s a reference to the film Mean Girls, when one of the characters tries to make the word “fetch” trendy, using it to mean “cool” or “awesome.” Another character eventually slaps back: “Stop trying to make ‘fetch’ happen. It’s NOT going to happen!”

Over the weekend, it appeared MAGA leaders were trying to make fetch happen, hoping to distract attention from Trump’s and popular anger about the economy, corruption, the administration's disregard for the law, and the Epstein files by trying to gin up the idea that the United States is being torn apart by political violence coming from what MAGA figures called “the left,” or “Democrats,” or just “THEM.”

Their evidence was the murder of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk last Wednesday in Utah, although the motive of the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, remains unclear. Today the state of Utah indicted Robinson on seven counts, including aggravated murder. But a 2024 report from a research arm of the Department of Justice itself noted that “ince 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists.” Julia Ornedo of The Daily Beast reported that the Department of Justice removed the report from its website after the shooting.

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Yep, that's a liberal "historian" for you:
1) be wrong about something
2) distract from how wrong you were
3) unless Heather wants to argue Kash and the FBI concocted the text messages - which would be very easy to prove - we absolutely do know who this guy was and why he did it.

(Heather can't admit that, of course, because Heather lives in the world of "liberal good, conservative bad").

The most you'll ever get from this slug is a passing phrase at best, followed by whatever accusations she can make against the regime.

She very much IS a historian, just like Kamala Harris was qualified to be President (which you incorrectly argued against a while ago). You may not like her slant on history, the topics she covers, her style or whatever, but she has a PhD, she writes about historical connections, she has a clear argument when she makes one, and she like all other writers can get things wrong.

But she's still a historian. I don't know of what the credentials you think she would need to be a historian that she doesn't have (you'll need to list them for me to understand), but she's got the degree, she's got several acclaimed books, and she writes about history and is correct far, far more often than she's wrong. Feel free to correct me on that one. I don't follow her enough to know if she makes retractions when she's wrong or lacks the facts to back up her arguments.

 

[Tidewater]

While I do not support (and do not expect) a print business owner to be arrested, it would not surprise me to see federal civil rights lawsuit filed against the business owner.
I do not support this federal overreach against a private business owner, but this was the tactic used to go after private businesses that refused to serve black people in the 1960s. Any private business that served over a specific number of customers (five, if memory serves) was declared a "public accommodation" and thus subject to federal civil rights law.
I would not go after a business that refused to print flyers for a Kirk vigil, but I also would not do it for a restautrant that refused to serve black people just because they are black. I believe in the latter case, public opinion would do the work. No black person would attempt to go to such a restaurant and I believe, in this day and age, the overwhelming majority of white people would refuse to patronize such a business. I think a business that openly stated as much would go out of business shortly, as it should.
Maybe in the 1960s such heavy-handed tactics were necessary to get us here, but I am not sure they still are.
And I would not want the Justice Department to go after a Kinko's franchise owner that refused to print flyers for a Kirk vigil either.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

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I love it when people's convictions about a subject get tested. "I'm for free speech until MY FEELINGS get hurt."

 

[Tidewater]

She very much IS a historian, just like Kamala Harris was qualified to be President (which you incorrectly argued against a while ago). You may not like her slant on history, the topics she covers, her style or whatever, but she has a PhD, she writes about historical connections, she has a clear argument when she makes one, and she like all other writers can get things wrong.

But she's still a historian. I don't know of what the credentials you think she would need to be a historian that she doesn't have (you'll need to list them for me to understand), but she's got the degree, she's got several acclaimed books, and she writes about history and is correct far, far more often than she's wrong. Feel free to correct me on that one. I don't follow her enough to know if she makes retractions when she's wrong or lacks the facts to back up her arguments.

An historian is simply someone who studies and writes about history. He or she may be biased or unreliable or write unremarkable things about history and still be an historian.
I have not read much beyond her articles posted here, so I cannot say much about her quality as an historian. She writes well enough, even though I might not be convinced by what she writes.

 

[Bamaro]

Can you provide the authenticated text of the entire quote. I have looked but to no avail.