Cop in MO kills unarmed black teen

[Bamabuzzard]

So it was all just a misunderstanding? The call to police from the clerk about the robbery was a misunderstanding? The clear confrontation at the door was something else? Brown's friend lied when he admitted to the authorities that Brown "did take the cigarillos"?

"Misrepresented" as Jerrah Jones would say.

 

[Bamaro]

I still don't really know what happened--there are too many things that don't quite make sense. Regardless of Wilson's guilt or innocence, however, a lot of blame must be placed at the feet of the Ferguson PD, who have screwed things up at every turn.

Much has been made of the video of Brown allegedly stealing some cigars; I ran across a post yesterday--can't post the link, due to language issues, but it purported to have the complete security video, in which Brown clearly pays for the cigars. The post claims that Brown then tried to get some more cigars, but didn't have enough money, but there was no "confrontation".

At this point, I don't know what the truth is. But I'm pretty sure that when the truth does come out, that someone needs to go to jail regarding that video, because one way or another, someone deliberately created an inflammatory in a situation that's clearly equivalent to yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

Also, because you find the funny in odd places sometimes, here's this:

A CNN talking head wondered why the police didn't just use water cannons to disperse the crowd. Her co-anchor's look is priceless.

I searched for it but if it was the one at Dailykos, its been removed. I have seen the one where Brown is at the counter but it appears to me that this is probably a theft. The clerk apparently thought so. Here is one that I found.
I'm guessing that it wouldn't be admissible in court but FWIW, IMO, Browns actions lends some credence to the police version.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...souri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/

 

[Tidewater]

So it was all just a misunderstanding? The call to police from the clerk about the robbery was a misunderstanding? The clear confrontation at the door was something else? Brown's friend lied when he admitted to the authorities that Brown "did take the cigarillos"?

Don't bother him. He's got his MSNBC buzz going.

 

[jthomas666]

So it was all just a misunderstanding? The call to police from the clerk about the robbery was a misunderstanding? The clear confrontation at the door was something else? Brown's friend lied when he admitted to the authorities that Brown "did take the cigarillos"?

Lighten up, Francis.

It's clear that I was not presenting the video or the post as True Writ.

The point (since you clearly missed it) was that between the two videos, someone has engaged in patently reckless behavior, one that may well cross a 1st amendment line.

 

[jthomas666]

I searched for it but if it was the one at Dailykos, its been removed. I have seen the one where Brown is at the counter but it appears to me that this is probably a theft. The clerk apparently thought so. Here is one that I found.
I'm guessing that it wouldn't be admissible in court but FWIW, IMO, Browns actions lends some credence to the police version.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...souri-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/

Yeah, the Kos diary got taken down. I found it somewhere else, but there's something about the way it was presented on that site that doesn't pass the smell test.

Looks like a bad situation quickly got out of control, leading to Brown's death; it's been reported that Brown had marijuana in his system--toxicology may show something else as well.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

it's been reported that Brown had marijuana in his system--toxicology may show something else as well.

Then he should have been stealing twinkies, not swisher sweets.

 

[Tidewater]

Much has been made of the video of Brown allegedly stealing some cigars;

I watched the surveillance video.
Nothing in the video warrants shooting the guy to death.
That said, something funny was going on. Brown spends a lot of time at the counter (no audio is available). Then he lunges back and starts for the door. The owner comes from behind the counter and chases after Brown (which tells me he feels something is wrong. Owners don't normally come out from behind the counter).
The camera shot changes to the front door, and the owner attempts to get between Brown and the door. Brown pretty violently shoves the little Pakistani/Indian owner out of the way. The owner says something, and Brown comes back into the store threatening the owner, who scurries away like a scalded dog.
My take, Brown was a big man used to getting his way through intimidation.
THC in his blood indicates he may not have been thinking clearly.
That does not mean he deserved to be shot, at least not from what happened in the store.

I can't say what happened in the street shortly thereafter, but Brown may have assumed the cop was flagging him down due to the store lifting incident and did not feel like getting arrested that day, so he resorted to being big man used to getting his way through intimidation.
Except the cop was not a Pakistani shopkeeper.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I'm fine with this as long as we discuss the fact that Racism isn't a one-way street, but a multi-directional interstate highway system of prejudice.....

Absolutely agreed, however the reality is that the legacy of white racism against blacks isn't gone, and more often that not that level of racism rises beyond simple ignorance and actually affects the ability for one to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

And then you have this fool.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Absolutely agreed, however the reality is that the legacy of white racism against blacks isn't gone, and more often that not that level of racism rises beyond simple ignorance and actually affects the ability for one to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Agreed. However at some point the past needs stop ruling the present. Blacks today (in many areas) have outside resources provided to them that for the most part whites aren't entitled to. Our society and government have gone above and beyond the call of duty in setting things in place to ensure blacks get an equal opportunity and even get a helping hand to get them on a path to success. We could put together a long list of things such as social programs, educational programs, grants, funds, loan preferences, hiring preferences, testing preferences etc. that were put in place to give blacks a helping hand. Things that whites are not privy to. Yet that still hasn't seemed to do as much good as one would think.

I'm afraid the picture of a white slave master keeping the black slave captive is what's continuing to be taught and force fed to many black people. Granted there are some who are brave enough to stand up and say otherwise but as we've discussed. They are labeled an Uncle Tom and condemned by the black community. Because that's not what they want to hear. What they want to hear is that it is the white man's fault, even though there are thousands and thousands of cases where a black person has actually taken advantage of the opportunities provided to them by the things listed above and become successful and financially independent. The masses want to hush people like Allen West, Stephen A Smith, Bill Cosby and others who bravely stand up and say "Stop making excuses! The opportunities are there!". IMO, the biggest problem facing the black community that sets them up for failure before they're even born is the fact that over 70% of blacks are born out of wedlock. Then once born tey have zero family structure or parental involvement from the biological parents. That is the biggest weight keeping them down today.

 

[Tide1986]

I'm fine with this as long as we discuss the fact that Racism isn't a one-way street, but a multi-directional interstate highway system of prejudice.....

But according to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, "...black-against-white [racism] has almost no measurable social impact" so sounds like a one-way street to me.

 

[Tidewater]

They are labeled an Uncle Tom and condemned by the black community. That's not what they want to hear. What they want to hear is that it is the white man's fault, even though there are thousands and thousands of cases where a black person has actually taken advantage of the opportunities provided to them by the things listed above and become successful and financially independent.

In my professional life I have seen the charge of racism thrown around any time anything happens to a black person that the black person does not like. What follows is nearly a direct quote:
"Come to work on time." (for a hourly employee who was showing up as late as 10:30 am, but claiming hours worked from 8:00 am.)
"You're a racist."
"You are not allowed to have a two hour lunch break. Lunch is from noon til one pm."
"You're a racist."
"Get your tasks for the day done before you leave work." (for a non-hourly salaried employee who was leaving work at 2:30 pm)
"That's racist."

None of this was directed towards me, thank goodness.
It is crap like that, though, that undermines those cases in which racial prejudice really do occur. People get desensitized to the allegation. ("There she goes again.")
And for the record, the squared-away, hard-working African-Americans I have had the pleasure of working with are infuriated when they see oxygen thieves playing the race card like the quotes above.

MO, the biggest problem facing the black community that sets them up for failure before they're even born is the fact that over 70% of blacks are born out of wedlock. Then once born they have zero family structure or parental involvement from the biological parents. That is the biggest weight keeping them down today.

True. And the effects are not based on the race of the unwed mother or the bastard child.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Agreed. However at some point the past needs stop ruling the present.

Absolutely agree with virtually all of your post, BB - my point is really more about the racism that still exists against blacks that makes it more difficult to progress. I don't want to be 'that guy' but literally one of my closest friends happens to be an educated, middle-class, law abiding black man, and the stories he can tell about harassment - harassment that've never in my life felt with, yet he deals with rather commonly - are simply astonishing. It's hard to believe that the world is still that way in America is 2014, but it is for some people.

That does NOT mean that these low-educated idiots like in the video above are being held down, nor does it mean that it's some holdover from slavery as many like to say - but the reality is that racism still exists in the US (and likely always will, just as it's always existed everywhere) and acting as if the fact that's not government condoned means it's doesn't exist simply ignores reality.

IMO, the biggest problem facing the black community that sets them up for failure before they're even born is the fact that over 70% of blacks are born out of wedlock. Then once born tey have zero family structure or parental involvement from the biological parents. That is the biggest weight keeping them down today.

Absolutely - which is why it was one of thee things I listed.

We have to discuss these things - they won't fix themselves, obviously.

 

[Tide1986]

Black Racism is Politically Correct


"When you want to help people, you tell the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell people what they want to hear."

Ouch!

For the life of me, I don't understand why on Gore's green Earth black people would want more black people controlling their lives.Cities are replete with black folks in charge of other black folks: Black aldermen, black city councilmen, majority black school boards (maybe one token white), black mayors, and the real shot-callers known as the Congressional Black Caucus.

Add to this a black president and a black attorney general, and you have a cornucopia of black power, all of which has led to devastation in the black community. And how is the life of Michael Brown celebrated in the black community? Looting.

You'd think by now black Liberals would have had enough of black leadership, because all they need to do is look at the evidence.
Obama has run the nation into the ground; and as I wrote a while back, if you want a recipe for failure in a municipality, elect a black Liberal.

 

[AV8N]

http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2014/08/gulf_shores_police_chief_calls.html#incart_m-rpt-2

Interesting perspective on how cops don't know what is going on in the mind of a suspect. Many people seem to be saying that the robbery and shooting are in no way related, but it's not necessarily that simple.

 

[Tide1986]

Absolutely agree with virtually all of your post, BB - my point is really more about the racism that still exists against blacks that makes it more difficult to progress. I don't want to be 'that guy' but literally one of my closest friends happens to be an educated, middle-class, law abiding black man, and the stories he can tell about harassment - harassment that've never in my life felt with, yet he deals with rather commonly - are simply astonishing. It's hard to believe that the world is still that way in America is 2014, but it is for some people.

Maybe the distinction isn't important, but were his issues primarily due to racism or stereotyping?

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2014/08/gulf_shores_police_chief_calls.html#incart_m-rpt-2

Interesting perspective on how cops don't know what is going on in the mind of a suspect. Many people seem to be saying that the robbery and shooting are in no way related, but it's not necessarily that simple.

Good read. Thank you for posting.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

Absolutely agree with virtually all of your post, BB - my point is really more about the racism that still exists against blacks that makes it more difficult to progress. I don't want to be 'that guy' but literally one of my closest friends happens to be an educated, middle-class, law abiding black man, and the stories he can tell about harassment - harassment that've never in my life felt with, yet he deals with rather commonly - are simply astonishing. It's hard to believe that the world is still that way in America is 2014, but it is for some people.

That does NOT mean that these low-educated idiots like in the video above are being held down, nor does it mean that it's some holdover from slavery as many like to say - but the reality is that racism still exists in the US (and likely always will, just as it's always existed everywhere) and acting as if the fact that's not government condoned means it's doesn't exist simply ignores reality.


Absolutely - which is why it was one of thee things I listed.

We have to discuss these things - they won't fix themselves, obviously.

Oh I agree. I'll be "that guy" with you and that I can count my closest of close friends on one hand (4). Two of them are black. The other two are mexican midget trannies biggrin. I've witnessed it when going places with them. They've told me stories and I just shake my head. Granted it is mostly on a social level with them. They've experienced the opposite in regard to a career/work level. They both work for very large companies and are at mid manager level. They (and this is funny) both tell me that the white folks in the company are so afraid they are going to pull the race card they get treated better than the other white folks in the office. LOL! It's funny because these guys aren't the type to do that.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2014/08/gulf_shores_police_chief_calls.html#incart_m-rpt-2

Interesting perspective on how cops don't know what is going on in the mind of a suspect. Many people seem to be saying that the robbery and shooting are in no way related, but it's not necessarily that simple.

Very good read, indeed. I've posted over and over that the policeman didn't know stolen goods were on Brown's body, but Brown certainly did. If he had been arrested and convicted, it would have been bye-bye to college which he was supposed to begin in a week. BTW, he doesn't really look like college material - unless he can play OL or DL...

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

NM.