D.O.G.E (Department of Government Efficiency) II

[Bamaro]

This new poll is absolutely devastating to the Democrats. DOGE is EXTREMELY popular by huge margins.

They screeched about it for weeks on every show and publication but the American people didn’t fall for it. Just shows how irrelevant the media and leftist talking heads are.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1894054431403934106

I'm still highly skeptical of polling, though. I'd like to see these exact same questions being asked across multiple polling platforms.

People still dont comprehend the full extent of it. Nearly everyone supports the concept of cutting government waste. The devil is in the details.

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

People still dont comprehend the full extent of it. Nearly everyone supports the concept of cutting government waste. The devil is in the details.

If you ask almost anyone if they rather have taxes raised or cuts in spending they're going to say cuts in spending. Polls are all about wording and I don't really trust them. I guarantee if you said would you rather cut spending on specific programs or raise taxes on businesses and the wealthy you would get a very different result. And to be clear I'm not saying either wording would tell you much.

Here is a CNN piece about how DOGE isn't super popular. But again I think you could probably find polling that says whatever you want it to say. It would probably help DOGE and Elon's popularity if Elon wasn't out here calling people retarded

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1892967655440539830

 

[CrimsonJazz]

People still dont comprehend the full extent of it. Nearly everyone supports the concept of cutting government waste. The devil is in the details.

Well yeah, but optics are what counts. It's the same reason legislation with names that have nothing to do with the legislation itself almost always passes. Someone in Congress right now could introduce the "Stop Kicking Puppies Act" that does nothing of the sort, but earmarks pork for stupid stuff and the voting public will never know the difference. Overestimating the voting public is a dangerous game, but making them believe they are supporting something good is how you get their votes.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

People still dont comprehend the full extent of it. Nearly everyone supports the concept of cutting government waste. The devil is in the details.

Show many anything our government has passed that doesn't have a devil with his details in it? They seem to can't keep the devil and his details out of much of anything when it comes to government business.

 

[Its On A Slab]

Well yeah, but optics are what counts. It's the same reason legislation with names that have nothing to do with the legislation itself almost always passes. Someone in Congress right now could introduce the "Stop Kicking Puppies Act" that does nothing of the sort, but earmarks pork for stupid stuff and the voting public will never know the difference. Overestimating the voting public is a dangerous game, but making them believe they are supporting something good is how you get their votes.

Ted Kennedy would never have been called a Hawk. Yet, he constantly defended the bases in Massachusetts against closure attempts. As Tip O'Neill famously said, "All politics is local." All are in favor of cuts, but NIMBY.

 

[jthomas666]

Show many anything our government has passed that doesn't have a devil with his details in it? They seem to can't keep the devil and his details out of much of anything when it comes to government business.

1. DOGE wasn't passed by the government.
2. As has been noted, people are responding to what the administration SAYS DOGE is doing.
3. As opposed to WHAT they are doing--like claiming that 150 year old people are drawing social security because the wiz kids don't know how COBOL works.

So we can already see how the administration plans to handle this--spread falsehoods while DOGE carries out other goals. By the time realize that they've been sold a bill of goods, the damage will have already been done.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

1. DOGE wasn't passed by the government.
2. As has been noted, people are responding to what the administration SAYS DOGE is doing.
3. As opposed to WHAT they are doing--like claiming that 150 year old people are drawing social security because the wiz kids don't know how COBOL works.

So we can already see how the administration plans to handle this--spread falsehoods while DOGE carries out other goals. By the time realize that they've been sold a bill of goods, the damage will have already been done.

Let's be honest, if it were passed by the government do you really think there'd be no devil with a crapload of details in it? We both know the answer to that. When it comes to politics there's always a catch, and NOTHING is as it seems. That's what's got us in the mess we're in. They can't do crap without it costing taxpayers billions of dollars and screwing the average Joe.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

Let's be honest, if it were passed by the government do you really think there'd be no devil with a crapload of details in it? We both know the answer to that. When it comes to politics there's always a catch, and NOTHING is as it seems. That's what's got us in the mess we're in. They can't do crap without it costing taxpayers billions of dollars and screwing the average Joe.

All true. I think where this is different is the fact that Musk is not a politician and is doing things we've never seen done. His supporters think this difference is why his program will work. His detractors think this is why he is destined to become a Bond villain (complete with evil lair carved out of the side of a volcano...which is about the worst location I can think of for such a thing. But I digress.)

This difference is why I remain hopeful that this will work, but I am prepared for the eventuality that it could fail. The thing is, we knew that fixing this economy and lowering the debt was going to be painful, but I think a lot of people assumed that the pain would be like taking a booster shot rather than knee surgery plus PT on top of that. What it comes down to is this: are Americans ready to embrace the reality of what needs to happen or will they turn tail and run to the voting booth because it's just too much? Ultimately, the final decision on whether or not DOGE is successful will be the voters. (That's not necessarily a good thing either. Next time you see some idiot trying to push his way through a door that is clearly marked "pull", remind yourself that this person probably votes.)

 

[RollTide_HTTR]

All true. I think where this is different is the fact that Musk is not a politician and is doing things we've never seen done. His supporters think this difference is why his program will work. His detractors think this is why he is destined to become a Bond villain (complete with evil lair carved out of the side of a volcano...which is about the worst location I can think of for such a thing. But I digress.)

I think this is part of it but I really don't think Elon would get nearly as much hate if we was remotely likable or even slightly humble.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

I think this is part of it but I really don't think Elon would get nearly as much hate if we was remotely likable or even slightly humble.

Perhaps not the most humble guy, but I do find him very likable. Thing is, I have a lot of experience dealing with people on the spectrum and I think that figures into how I regard him. Nevertheless, there are a lot of people I don't particularly like, but maybe I do like some of the things he or she does (our current president springs immediately to mind. Also, Pope Francis.)

 

[crimsonaudio]

1. DOGE wasn't passed by the government.

It's actually a renamed technology unit created by Obama (established by Congressional appropriations).

 

[CrimsonJazz]

 

[Huckleberry]

 

[dtgreg]

All true. I think where this is different is the fact that Musk is not a politician and is doing things we've never seen done. His supporters think this difference is why his program will work. His detractors think this is why he is destined to become a Bond villain (complete with evil lair carved out of the side of a volcano...which is about the worst location I can think of for such a thing. But I digress.)

This difference is why I remain hopeful that this will work, but I am prepared for the eventuality that it could fail. The thing is, we knew that fixing this economy and lowering the debt was going to be painful, but I think a lot of people assumed that the pain would be like taking a booster shot rather than knee surgery plus PT on top of that. What it comes down to is this: are Americans ready to embrace the reality of what needs to happen or will they turn tail and run to the voting booth because it's just too much? Ultimately, the final decision on whether or not DOGE is successful will be the voters. (That's not necessarily a good thing either. Next time you see some idiot trying to push his way through a door that is clearly marked "pull", remind yourself that this person probably votes.)

I just don't understand how you think the insane wealth inequality in this nation is ok and healthy. If you're rich, you diversify so you can keep your wealth in any kind of economy. These near-trillionaires have already "invested" in every sector that makes sense and now they are buying up starter-homes, potable water, arable land; just because they have too much money.

We need to do what Europe is doing and enact a wealth tax. These super-rich would never feel it and we have too many poor that we need to take care of and we need to stop pricing out young home-buyers. There are great reasons Eisenhower had a 95% income tax on the super rich. Kennedy got elected and wanted it brought down because he was a richie but the evidence is overwhelming that we are gravely out of balance.

This is the way to fix the debt.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

More winning for Americans, and by that I mean losing. The CHiPS act was working, it was increasing manufacturing in the US, which is something I thought Trump wanted. This was benefiting people in this state. The only thing that makes all this nonsense somewhat palatable is knowing that many of the people getting fired by DOGE also voted for this mess.

CHIPS Act dies because employees are fired – NIST CHIPS people are probationary - Semiwiki

- NIST to lose 100's of mainly CHIPS Act people - If no people are left to administer CHIPS Act it dies by default - Following USAID play book to kill an unwanted program - Using the

semiwiki.com

 

[tusks_n_raider]

No worries Brah.. this whole thing was just a joke...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...emails-resign-federal-employees-b2703536.html

Again all of these Trump admin and advisors are so extremely unlikeable.

This guy did something that caused blowback and instead of just owning up to it he tries to deflect in the most arrogant way by saying it was all an attempt to make sure Gov/Fed employees are not idiots??

Why does no one ever take responsibility and just say some form of 'My bad'... that was the wrong thing to do/say?

Plus on top of that no one who says 'I don't like the way Trump/Musk/Vance always do or say things but I like some of their actions' will criticize it either.

That's why I don't believe it when people say they aren't a Trump guy or a Musk guy or a Vance guy.

Musk just wasted Gov'Fed employees time AT WORK by playing games and no one will criticize it.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

edit: double post

 

[Bamaro]

I wish those opposed to DOGE would stop being misled by chasing the shiney object of ' effeciency and cost savings'. DOGE has never been primarily about that. It is simply a veiled attempt to remove as many government workers, many who are perceived by the orange fool as being 'deep state', and replacing them with sycophants who will then settle in as the orange fool's deep state.

 

[75thru79]

I wish those opposed celebrating to DOGE would stop being misled by chasing the shiney object of ' effeciency and cost savings'.

FIFY. LOL. Death, Taxes and the inexorable rise in spending by the US Government. You can take all three to the bank. Now, here comes someone who is upsetting the apple cart and people are freaking out.

 

[Bamaro]

FIFY. LOL. Death, Taxes and the inexorable rise in spending by the US Government. You can take all three to the bank. Now, here comes someone who is upsetting the apple cart and people are freaking out.

True, those celebrating DOGE are being misled also and dont realize (or maybe they do) the actual goal of DOGE