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Game 1 WKU @ Alabama (Week of game discussion)

BamaMoon said:
That's really good. We need to know ASAP if JM is the new and improved JM.

And if TS plays, which I assume he probably will, this will give us a good opportunity to compare and contrast those two players (assuming the same offensive plays will be called for both).
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IMHO it would be foolish to put TS in the game and not allow him to execute the game plan to the fullest. Particularly so if JM has a less than stellar performance.
 
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gtgilbert said:
I hope so, but at this point I'll have to see it to believe with JM. We heard about improvement over the course of last season and then also through spring, but it wasn't there at all.

The WRs getting open wasn't an issue at all last year. The routes and openings were there. One NFL scout even said watching Burton's film was seeing him open on play after play after play and not getting the ball. The other guys all have that same potential, or perhaps even a bit more with the speed increases we've heard about. They just need the ball on time.
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Did we not see players running into each other on routes? Not making efforts on blocking on run plays? Not finishing their routes?

Milroe did improve this past spring, That's for sure.
 
Bamabuzzard said:
I'm not sure WKU has the defensive personnel to put Milroe in situations where he struggled the most. Texas got him with disguises as did Michigan and if UGA had to do it over again they would have done the same thing. Do you think WKU has the personnel to put him in those situations?
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Answer: No. But we all knew that.
 
gtgilbert said:
that's an opinion thing, and I completely disagree. A-day showed me zero improvement over what we saw all last season. zero.
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I don't know if we are going to see leaps and bounds for Milro but I saw encouraging signs, the TD to Law was a play he doesn't make last year. He was more decisive on when to bail on the pocket. I believe the staff has given him the freedom such that if they are going to give him a green field he's just supposed to take it. Also I saw a play where they had it perfectly defensed (which is going to happen) and he just threw the ball away which last year I'm not sure if he does.
 
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bamaslammer said:
I don't know if we are going to see leaps and bounds for Milro but I saw encouraging signs, the TD to Law was a play he doesn't make last year. He was more decisive on when to bail on the pocket. I believe the staff has given him the freedom such that if they are going to give him a green field he's just supposed to take it. Also I saw a play where they had it perfectly defensed (which is going to happen) and he just threw the ball away which last year I'm not sure if he does.
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Yeah, but the TD to Law was the play where the guy came open on the mesh route. That's where the ball should have gone. I'm glad he made A play, but it's wasn't executed correctly per the way the play was designed. I do agree that at least now he's taking off and running more decisively, but as I said earlier, on many of those plays, guys in the route/progression were open, and if JM does the job he is supposed to do, he never gets to the decision to bail out and run.
 
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gtgilbert said:
Yeah, but the TD to Law was the play where the guy came open on the mesh route. That's where the ball should have gone. I'm glad he made A play, but it's wasn't executed correctly per the way the play was designed. I do agree that at least now he's taking off and running more decisively, but as I said earlier, on many of those plays, guys in the route/progression were open, and if JM does the job he is supposed to do, he never gets to the decision to bail out and run.
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We can't always expect the play to be excited perfectly. There's lot that goes into executing. We don't know what we see v.s. what coach see on that play. Ijs. I need to go back and watch the play. You might be right but I'm not sure though.
 
JustNeedMe81 said:
We can't always expect the play to be excited perfectly. There's lot that goes into executing. We don't know what we see v.s. what coach see on that play. Ijs. I need to go back and watch the play. You might be right but I'm not sure though.
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Would you say the same thing about an OL who blocked the wrong guy 75% of the time? I don't think we'd be happy about that at all. Sure, there are going to be times where the other guy just beats the block, but you'd expect the OL to at least get his hands on, or be trying to get his hands on the right guy wouldn't you? A guy doing the wrong thing like that would end up getting his QBs and RBs roughed up pretty bad and we'd all be calling for his replacement. What about an LB who covered the wrong guy or the wrong zone 75% of the time?

Same with JM. It's not that the defense or the coverage is forcing the play to not be executed correctly at this point - that will come against better defenses later in the season. Right now we are looking at a sample where about 75% of the time, JM just didn't execute the right play with the read sequences and where guys were open and what the check downs were, even on plays that did end up with a productive result. Sure we can still win against inferior teams that way, but as Murray mentioned, against better defenses that just won't work. He even said some of the plays were only positive because Alabama just out-athleted WKU.
 
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bamaslammer said:
I don't know if we are going to see leaps and bounds for Milro but I saw encouraging signs, the TD to Law was a play he doesn't make last year. He was more decisive on when to bail on the pocket. I believe the staff has given him the freedom such that if they are going to give him a green field he's just supposed to take it. Also I saw a play where they had it perfectly defensed (which is going to happen) and he just threw the ball away which last year I'm not sure if he does.
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Actually, the play to Law is the kind of play in which JM excels the best. When a play breaks down (it could be a missed block on the OL OR a missed read from JM) but when he gets out of the pocket and starts "improvising" that's when he's at his best.

It's the #1 reason he's the QB right now IMO. He's a better athlete/improvisor than an x's and o's type QB who does it by the book.
 
BamaMoon said:
Actually, the play to Law is the kind of play in which JM excels the best. When a play breaks down (it could be a missed block on the OL OR a missed read from JM) but when he gets out of the pocket and starts "improvising" that's when he's at his best.

It's the #1 reason he's the QB right now IMO. He's a better athlete/improvisor than an x's and o's type QB who does it by the book.
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I was thinking along that line this morning. It's like Simpson is a conventional type quarterback. You know what to expect. But Jalen is anything but conventional. You never know what to expect. He's a winner and fun to watch.
 
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BamaMoon said:
Actually, the play to Law is the kind of play in which JM excels the best. When a play breaks down (it could be a missed block on the OL OR a missed read from JM) but when he gets out of the pocket and starts "improvising" that's when he's at his best.

It's the #1 reason he's the QB right now IMO. He's a better athlete/improvisor than an x's and o's type QB who does it by the book.
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Totally agree, and last years offensive line was porous so it really helped. But last week you didn't need that. Plays didn't break down.

The question, still unanswered, is can he make plays from the pocket, in rhythm, following his progressions while under pressure. We won't really know for a few more weeks.
 
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B1GTide said:
Totally agree, and last years offensive line was porous so it really helped. But last week you didn't need that. Plays didn't break down.

The question, still unanswered, is can he make plays from the pocket, in rhythm, following his progressions while under pressure. We won't really know for a few more weeks.
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His footwork and mechanics say no. A-day says no. Timing, rhythm, field vision and pocket presence haven't been his strongest attributes.

When things break down and we can't out athlete the opponent.....what happens is indeed the question.
 
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