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Think about it. We were ranked in the Top 5 for God's sake! Unbelievable that this team failed to show up for a game of this magnitude. This team- without Steele- should have won this game. What's the excuse this time guys? We never get into any kind of offensive set- unless a timeout is called. We play defense only on occassion and we have no idea how to push the ball and beat the press! There's absolutely no urgency and it showed big time today. Losing this game the way we lost this game is ABSOLUTELY EMBARRASSING!!! No other way to put it. Today was the day Bama. It's been a while since I've seen such a horrible performance with so much on the line.
 
Re: Gottfried running out of excuses......

I don't think you are alone in your disappointment...
 
Re: Gottfried running out of excuses......

Don't think he's really be offering excuses lately, from what I've heard and read...
 
Re: Gottfried running out of excuses......

There is no doubt that CMG was dealt a couple of bad breaks early on. I think he waited too long to address obvious problems. He told everyone who would listen about Steele and Davidson. We heard it ad nausium for nearly 3 months. instead of giving his young guards some experience, he played Steele until he couldn't play any more. He used JD's tragic experiences as a crutch to cover poor playing habits. The players heard and saw that CMG didn't think they could win w/o These 2 until they came to believe it too. Although CMG had an excuse he should have gotten everyone on board to try to overcome it. Like you said, excuses only work so long, so don't use them up too quickly.
 
Re: Gottfried running out of excuses......

It's just my viewpoint, but I don't see his pointing out the obvious - that's happened with RS and JD has had a effect on the team is really "making excuses." Anyway, focusing on what he's saying is basically a red herring. I'm much more interested in what he's doing to overcome those handicaps. I'm sure he'd be the first to agree that he hasn't done enough. In the end, discussions about whether or not he's making excuses are basically "personality" threads, and those aren't going to stay up long...
 
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I like CMG and I think he has brought in a lot of talent to our program. I am beginning to wonder if he is the right guy for the job though. When I see our team getting blown out by 20 to 30 points on the road I have to think that is not due to just Steele being less than 100 percent. I understand that playing on the road is tough but give me a break.
 
Re: Gottfried running out of excuses......

I couldn't agree more flyboy. There is no excuse for this kind of performance. CMG is going to have his hands full explaining this one.
 
Re: Gottfried running out of excuses......

certainly not the same team with RS and JD's situation. but, man, repeated road losses by > 15-20 points (not just this year) is hard to swallow.
 
? for HSV-Tide re: CMG

not trying to create any discord and certainly not trying to start any fires....but in your opinion.....how long does CMG have at Bama in terms of being the HC? not much improvement this year as season progressed and seems like the guys dont know how to play on the road consistently well enough to win. is he on the (very) hot seat next year? sorry, it should be Tide-HSV.
 
As I said in the sticky above, we're not going to have a dozen threads, all discussing CMG, his performance and his longevity. This thread originally had a title more calculated to start a sparring match than discussion. Now, this is not his last year. Next year is not his last, barring a complete collapse. CMG can be stubborn, but he's not stupid and he knows this year's performance is not going to be excused forever. I think he will do some assistant's changes. He's always done better when he had a really competent defensive guru. Also, I look for him to move away somewhat from the high post, for a number of reasons...
 
Re: Gottfried running out of excuses......

My Thoughts are that this team would have been a completely different team with a healhty Ron Steele. Basketball is team game but not all roles are equal. You must have a good point guard and without a healty Ron we did not have one ready to carry the load. Whether we did or could not recruit one I do not know. But if you don't or can't recruit one them you got to do double duty on developing one. Somewhere along the line we had a major failing in this area.
CMG is going to have to face responsibility for that.
The lack of fundamentals. the mental errors, the lack of focus and effort are all a matter of degree and will get better with good coaching and experience. The question is did they get good coaching this year? Well the results weren't very good, certainly not up to expectations.
And lastly how much did the team improve over the year? If coaching was having an affect then the team ought to have been better at the end than they were at the start of the season. I do not think they were significantly better.
 
JMHO: Granted, RS is hurt, and JD has had some bad experiences. But so what?
Those two aren't the only ones on the team. Every single player on the team has to be able to play without certain other players. It's called teaching, and practice, and it's CMG's job to train everyone to step up, take on the task and do their very best for the team and for the school. That is clearly not happening.
Also, the subject of basic fundamentals and technique has been addressed time and time again. IN EVERY SPORT, if the players aren't being taught the basics, and the lack of knowledge and skill loses games for that team, that fault sits squarely on the shoulders of the HC.
 
Bama Reb said:
JMHO: Granted, RS is hurt, and JD has had some bad experiences. But so what?
Those two aren't the only ones on the team. Every single player on the team has to be able to play without certain other players. It's called teaching, and practice, and it's CMG's job to train everyone to step up, take on the task and do their very best for the team and for the school. That is clearly not happening.
Also, the subject of basic fundamentals and technique has been addressed time and time again. IN EVERY SPORT, if the players aren't being taught the basics, and the lack of knowledge and skill loses games for that team, that fault sits squarely on the shoulders of the HC.
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Bama Reb said:
JMHO: Granted, RS is hurt, and JD has had some bad experiences. But so what?
Those two aren't the only ones on the team. Every single player on the team has to be able to play without certain other players. It's called teaching, and practice, and it's CMG's job to train everyone to step up, take on the task and do their very best for the team and for the school. That is clearly not happening.
Also, the subject of basic fundamentals and technique has been addressed time and time again. IN EVERY SPORT, if the players aren't being taught the basics, and the lack of knowledge and skill loses games for that team, that fault sits squarely on the shoulders of the HC.
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I agree that they should be taught fundamentals and that this does fall squarely on the coaches shoulders. However, i do feel that losing Ronald Steele is very key to why the team has not done better. Look at the Phoenix suns without Steve Nash, look at Texas A&M without Acie Law, i think if you take away the "quarterback" of the offense in basketball away, it affects everyone. Think about all the open shots and less double teams our inside men would get if we had a point guard the other team had to pay attention to at all times.... I think the team should be able to play well without him or someone should step up in his place but lets not take away from how much he adds to the team.
 
The one thing that has always bothered me has been CMG's reluctance to go to the bench with the younger guys. I see lots of ability on the bench but unless they play, they don't develop. It seems to me to be a halmark of his. And when he has to go, like today, you see the results. It looked like street ball.
 
Re: Gottfried running out of excuses......

pcolatide said:
My Thoughts are that this team would have been a completely different team with a healhty Ron Steele. Basketball is team game but not all roles are equal. You must have a good point guard and without a healty Ron we did not have one ready to carry the load. Whether we did or could not recruit one I do not know. But if you don't or can't recruit one them you got to do double duty on developing one. Somewhere along the line we had a major failing in this area.
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For the past number of years, ask anyone what Mark Gottfried's best attribute is, and you've more than likely heard ... "He's a great recruiter."
Well, if this season has hinged on a healthy Ronald Steele, then I must ask where all those other great recruits are to pick up some slack? Where were these solid recruits last year when Chuck Davis went down?
Bottom line is this team has lacked intensity (particularly on the road) since they got smacked around in South Bend. Today crossed the border from concerning to disgusting.
 
I don't think of myself as a fair weather fan, but its almost hard to watch this team, I watch every game but its just frustrating. Obviously we'd be having a better year with Steele but we've got some serious problems. To me its mainly about two things, we don't play smart, that I'm sure of. And second, honestly I'm not sure we always play that hard. I mean, after a while you start to think, why does it always seem like the other team has more energy? Why do they always seem to get to loose balls more often than us? Is it quickness or just a lack of energy, I don't know, there are quicker teams than us, MSU for one, but we have a pretty athletic team. And how many times have guys just fallen asleep on the defensive end this year? Just not focusing, not concentrating. Guys standing around, realizing after the fact that the guy who just made that wide open three was the guy he was supposed to be guarding. How many charges have we taken this year? Its little thing's defensively, out "team defense" has just been pretty much nonexistent.

I don't know, Gottfried's done well overall, and I'm definitely not saying he should be fired, but its just been frustrating.
 
Good grief, I'm a sunshine pumper.

RS and JD had issues...sure.
Bench playing time or lack thereof...sure.
Gee in a new role as upper classman leader, no longer Freshman contributor...sure.

Every team in every sport has this stuff happen in the course of a season. I want to know how much help CMG is really getting from the staff.

I really think next few years could be very good. RS will be back. We've built some depth. Gee will be stronger and more mature. More freshmen got time than compared to years past. Looks like a nice class coming in. I bet our coach has learned something and will get better.

I think we should be addressing the issues that can be addressed. How good are these assistants? Does CMG take on too much because he doesn't trust them? Maybe I'm off base.
 
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Alabama fans will surely be calling for Gottfried's head. In the biggest game of all the entire season, the Tide wasn't even worthy of a practice teams sweat. Ronald Steele doesn't make a 24-point difference. Something stinks in Ttown and it isn't pulp wood plant.
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