Question: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal?

[TIDE-HSV]

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One other note. They did not go to NC State for a scheduled visit. And I have not been able to find anything to confirm if they made the trip to Cal.

I read somewhere that they'd canceled on the CA trip. Don't know if that's accurate...

 

[Charlestontiger]

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If they didn't go to Cal, a decision has already been made. I was told to watch if they went on their two other visits. I would say Allen is 99% going to Clemson from what I have heard. They had three trips planned and only took one. I did check some of the Cal chat and no one knew if they were there or not. I would assume had they made the trip it would have been posted.

 

[deliveryman35]

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Perhaps we should look at this as Bama dodging a bullet. I mean, if the family has made it clear that the only way to get Keenan is to also take on the big brother, well, isn't that handing over a considerable amount of, how should I put this, hand (for all of you Seinfeld fans) to Keenan and his family. I don't know the story behind all of this, and I don't know how much say Keenan actually has in this matter, but consider the following scenario:

Keenan comes in and is the immediate impact star everyone expects him to be. Meanwhile, big brother lands on the scout team and quickly realizes what his true prospects are at a real SEC powerhouse school. big brother is unhappy with this situation and complains to Mom and Dad, or even to little brother. Since using the all-star Keenan to little brother's advantage worked before, the family decides to once again step in and either demand of the coaches a step up for little brother, or they begin to persuade Keenan to ask for a transfer to someplace where big brother can play.

I don't know how likely that scenario is, but I know that I don't like the smell on this situation, and I don't like families that decide to meddle with things like this family seems to have done. These things are just distractions, and could become rather bothersome distractions during a championship run. No doubt Keenan's a great player, but Bama is at a point now where the talent will be there. The coaches and players just need to cut out the distractions and focus. In the end, CNS and his staff will make the right move either way....

"Amen, Brother Ben." Seriously, IF any of this is true, this is potential drama we definitely do not need. Like I said in another thread, IF we were to accept KA conditional on some sort of 'package deal', what kind of message does that send the rest of the team that might have siblings that would have liked a deal like this? It sets a bad precedent, IMO. Letting big brother in by way of a 'sidecar' just smacks of preferential treatment to me and I think could disrupt team morale. Also, if ...and I stress IF--ANY of this about his parents holding sway over all this and trying to deal-make is true, then that's another red flag all by itself. These are the same kind of people that call coaches and complain about PT and try to influence what goes on where they have no business doing so(Remember the Kodi Burns situation at the barn?) I think this is when you do a final in-home, sit KA down, look him in the eye and give him the old Barry Switzer recruiting line,"With you at Alabama we're going to win championships--AND WITHOUT YOU, Alabama is going to win championships", and tell him you hope he holds to his original committment, then walk away.

All that being said, I trust Nick to handle it the right way.

 

[Tidetwin]

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"Amen, Brother Ben." Seriously, IF any of this is true, this is potential drama we definitely do not need. Like I said in another thread, IF we were to accept KA conditional on some sort of 'package deal', what kind of message does that send the rest of the team that might have siblings that would have liked a deal like this? It sets a bad precedent, IMO. Letting big brother in by way of a 'sidecar' just smacks of preferential treatment to me and I think could disrupt team morale. Also, if ...and I stress IF--ANY of this about his parents holding sway over all this and trying to deal-make is true, then that's another red flag all by itself. These are the same kind of people that call coaches and complain about PT and try to influence what goes on where they have no business doing so(Remember the Kodi Burns situation at the barn?) I think this is when you do a final in-home, sit KA down, look him in the eye and give him the old Barry Switzer recruiting line,"With you at Alabama we're going to win championships--AND WITHOUT YOU, Alabama is going to win championships", and tell him you hope he holds to his original committment, then walk away.

All that being said, I trust Nick to handle it the right way.

I'm with you. The one variable I will consider is CNS's skill to know recruits as football players and people. If we have offers out to the two brothers, CNS has vetted them and the situation thoroughly. As is said over and over again on this board, let's trust that the man who designed and implemented the process knows what he's doing this situation.

 

[ncbama]

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American College Dictionary (ACD):
Non sequitur-an inference or a conclusion which does not follow from the premises

Never has so much been concluded from so little information. The premise is that KA is visiting Clemson with his brother, or half brother, or whatever. And let me remind you, that is all we KNOW!!! Everything else on that has been posted is sheer conjecture. The ultimate non sequitur.

We need to be careful. What if KA reads this board? What if he sees the number of posts claiming that all will be well without him? Granted, most people are saying that in spite of the visits, we would still like to have him, but in the same breath claim how well things will be without him. It would not take an overly sensitive person to begin to resent some of those comments.

The worst source of information has been other message boards. Are you kidding me? What do you expect Clemson people to say? Of course they want him and are letting him know that. Every school wants him.

Also from the ACD:
Fickle-unstable, unsteady,inconstant, changeable,variable, capricious, fitful.

Let's not be fickle about this. We not only want KA, we NEED KA. Don't kid yourself.

Intil I learn something more reliable than what I have seen in this thread, I will remain confident that KA is Tider. He is a truly outstanding prospect.

 

[Charlestontiger]

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It is really a 3 player deal for Clemson and it makes sense. The Tiger's have also been recruiting their cousin Maurice Harris who is a 2011 WR. They also have a possibility at becoming thin at QB. Back up Willy Korn is transferring and starting QB Kyle Parker is a possible 1st round draft pick in baseball this year. If Parker leaves, then Tahj Boyd will be the starting QB and he will be a red shirt freshman. Clemson would be extremely inexperienced at the position and Maynard would make a lot of sense to recruit for the 2nd QB job. Clemson was already recruiting and had offers for Allen and Harris. Allen will instantly be the go to receiver at Clemson and that has to attractive to him. I will be interesting either way, no one will know anything for sure until signing day.

 

[12ROLL12TIDE12]

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I just don't understand why Maynard would want to walk into that locker room with everyone knowing why he got his scholarship offer. It seems to me it is time for big brother to step up and support his brother instead of risking his future. For some reason, I just cannot see Saban giving into demands of an individual who, at this point, has not made a contribution to the success of the team. Thank goodness we have a coach and staff we can trust to make the right decision here.

 

[Tide Warrior]

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I am sorry but I disagree that UA or any program needs a player that bad. Again as I stated before it is no different then the other 50+ 5 stars that are out there that we missed on. Just like the last three years and we still when the NC game.

To many people get caught up in the ratings of a HS player that MIGHT turn out to be good. When you refer to speculation that is all there is regarding the talent of KA or any player before they actually arrive on campus. Just like we do not know where he will end up at, the same can be said about his talent. No one knows at this point if he will pan out.

To all the fans posting that think we need him and will not survive without him, please do not watch UA next year. We are called the University of Alabama not the Unversity of (insert player name here). RTR

 

[Tide Warrior]

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Also no offense to Clemson but they have to do what they can. Their fans can come on here or on their on boards and justify it all they want, but the truth is they are only offering Maynard to get KA. Otherwise they would have no shot at this point in the game for KA. Sorry but I am tired of reading all these Clemson fans talking about how they are going to beat us out for a recruit.

Good luck to Clemson in that approach, but if you want to see how that ends up go ask UT fans about it. Fulmer started that 2 for 1 offering and it got him fired and UT laughed at.

 

[Charlestontiger]

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It is as simple as this. Clemson probably wants Maynard too. I am sure he will make a better potential back-up QB than a true freshman. Allen wants to be a receiver and he will get more catches in Orange.

 

[Tide Warrior]

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You do understand he is going to play WR here also right. Plus I would take our current QBs and future QBs over Clemson's QBs anyday if am looking to be a WR.

 

[NorthGaTide]

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It is as simple as this. Clemson probably wants Maynard too. I am sure he will make a better potential back-up QB than a true freshman. Allen wants to be a receiver and he will get more catches in Orange.

Clemson would want nothing do to with Maynard if it weren't for KA, don't kid yourself. Allen was going to play WR at Bama and to say he will get more catches at Clemson is an unknown at this time.

 

[Charlestontiger]

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I got on here after reading this site for a few days. I am not trying to justify anything. I was try to defend the kid and his possible reasons for switching. He has been getting bashed on here in post after post. It is probably as simple as he loves his brother and wants to go to school with him. How and the heck can you find fault with wanting to be with your own family. Next year they will probably have a cousin also on the team. It is not conspiracy, not blackmail, its just parents involved with their kids!! I have heard they are a close family and that is a good thing in this day and time. I wish ya'll would stop bashing him. If he decommitts it is only to be with his brother, how can you fault him for that.

 

[Charlestontiger]

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I got on here after reading this site for a few days. I am not trying to justify anything. I was try to defend the kid and his possible reasons for switching. He has been getting bashed on here in post after post. It is probably as simple as he loves his brother and wants to go to school with him. How and the heck can you find fault with wanting to be with your own family. Next year they will probably have a cousin also on the team. It is not conspiracy, not blackmail, its just parents involved with their kids!! I have heard they are a close family and that is a good thing in this day and time. I wish ya'll would stop bashing him. If he decommitts it is only to be with his brother, how can you fault him for that.

The only I made that statement is because of Julio and Bama's depth at receiver and the Tiger's lack of them. The top 3 reception leaders are gone. Allen and Martavis Bryant should be in the mix first snap next season.

 

[2003TIDE]

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I got on here after reading this site for a few days. I am not trying to justify anything. I was try to defend the kid and his possible reasons for switching. He has been getting bashed on here in post after post. It is probably as simple as he loves his brother and wants to go to school with him. How and the heck can you find fault with wanting to be with your own family. Next year they will probably have a cousin also on the team. It is not conspiracy, not blackmail, its just parents involved with their kids!! I have heard they are a close family and that is a good thing in this day and time. I wish ya'll would stop bashing him. If he decommitts it is only to be with his brother, how can you fault him for that.

If it turns out to be true I kinda feel bad for the kid. He hasn't even made a buck yet playing football and he already has family members trying to get by on KA's ability. I mean good grief if you can't do any better than 3rd string QB at Buffalo do you really think you are going to start at Clemson?

Anyway are you really prepared to burn 3 schollies to get one player? If that's what you guys are going to stoop to you'll never be much more than a mediocre team in the ACC.

 

[Islander]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

I got on here after reading this site for a few days. I am not trying to justify anything. I was try to defend the kid and his possible reasons for switching. He has been getting bashed on here in post after post. It is probably as simple as he loves his brother and wants to go to school with him. How and the heck can you find fault with wanting to be with your own family. Next year they will probably have a cousin also on the team. It is not conspiracy, not blackmail, its just parents involved with their kids!! I have heard they are a close family and that is a good thing in this day and time. I wish ya'll would stop bashing him. If he decommitts it is only to be with his brother, how can you fault him for that.

He had the same brother and family when he committed to us!!!!

 

[Tide Warrior]

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Saying Clemson only offers Maynard because of KA is not bashing KA. Also saying that KA is not the doom of the UA program because he decides to go to Clemson is not bashing him either. If you think that is bashing you are wrong. I am sure there are a few on here that are upset he might switch to play with his brother and they have a hard time understanding that, but if you are going to come on our boards and accuse us of something please show where all the bashing is regarding KA. I have seen way more people on here wanting KA to come and be apart of UA and the ones that have said they will be alright if he goes, including myself, did not wish him failure, but do not think we should have to take one player to get the other.

 

[Harmost]

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If it turns out to be true I kinda feel bad for the kid. He hasn't even made a buck yet playing football and he already has family members trying to get by on KA's ability. I mean good grief if you can't do any better than 3rd string QB at Buffalo do you really think you are going to start at Clemson?.

Zach Maynard was actually Buffalo's starter last season.

 

[Tide Warrior]

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Also according to one Cal board I just read they made the trip. They were spoted yesterday at Alcatraz. Again anything that does not support Clemson in all the speculation out there right now has come directly from Clemson fan boards.

 

[Airborne Tider]

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I don't think anyone is bashing Keenan. I believe it's pretty obvious where HE wants to go. I think more people are upset that he has been all Bama for this long and ALLEGEDLY someone in his family is trying to use Keenan's gift to get his brother a better deal. Also I believe it sets a bad precedence for any school to take a player they wouldn't have originally to get a player the really want.

Now I am still in the boat that feels, Keenan is committed to Alabama and that's all we know for sure. Our staff knows better than anyone what is going on. If they felt Keenan was gonna flip on NSD why would they let him stay committed? While I do hope Keenan sticks to his word, Bama is bigger than any one player. Let Clemson set that precedence if they want. Bama will keep being champions in everything we do. RTR.