Mass/Active Shooters, Part **FIVE**

[75thru79]

There isn’t always a 1 to 1 correlation but Shooters and more to the point Mass Shooters were often relentlessly bullied in school to the point they develop hatred for others.

I deplore bullying too but the root cause for most gun violence is not due to bullying. Mass shootings, yes, but mass shooting is but a small subset of gun violence deaths.

 

[92tide]

it was confirmed that the emory/cdc shooter was an anti-vax nutjob

 

[TIDE-HSV]

it was confirmed that the emory/cdc shooter was an anti-vax nutjob

You mean like the HHS Secretary?

 

[92tide]

You mean like the HHS Secretary?

i lay this on that vile piece of garbage as much as on his supporters and fellow nut jobs

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Obviously, you can't blame the hardware itself. However, there's no getting around the fact that the easy availability of firearms is a factor. Here, if you get mad enough, there's an implement ready at hand to settle the argument. This is not true in most civilized countries, so arguments don't get settled that way. The "X" factor, however, is something I've puzzled about for decades. Some other societies equal, or almost, in access to firearms. My Lord, in Switzerland, the rifle under the bed is required for large segments of society. They don't kill each other the way we do. We are a young country, in terms of culture. In terms of history, the frontier is close enough to touch. It lasted into the early 20th century. It was a society where "the law" was too far away to be helpful, so you solved problems with iron and lead. The problem is that we're now an urban country, overwhelmingly, and yet we still romanticize and glorify that era in our history. Series TV is literally soaked in it. Any evening, you can tune across the virtual dial and it's unusual if you don't see gun violence on at least one channel. Sorry for the rambling, but it's something I've considered for many years...

I agree with all of this, and without trying to go too far into "let's blame the media for stuff," it is simply a fact of life that news coverage likes narratives, and they don't like much that deviates too much from it. This isn't just a news thing, look at the TV shows - they're all carbon copies of each other, sometimes down to the same script with a little variation. (To give one example of which there are so many, there was a show called 'Diff'rent Strokes" that featured two orphaned black kids raised by the rich single father on Park Avenue, who was widowed and lived with his housekeeper. I saw that same show when it was three orphaned white kids who lived on the Upper East Side with the rich single father and butler, it was called "Family Affair"....and bizarrely enough, one of the female actors on both shows died from a drug overdose in real life).

How often is the narrative about this big, bad AR-15, which the implication is always "AR stands for Assault Rifle," which it does not. Or if it's not an AR-15, it's "an AR-15-like rifle," which is designed to elicit a reaction. If they wanted to INFORM me, they'd tell me what the actual rifle is and then I could "research" it on Google like an anti-vaxxer/elections expert!

"Big scary gun" is the narrative. Never mind that over 3/4 of the textbook definition "mass shootings" are from the very handguns they won't be able to touch.

But you might not feel the warm fuzzies inside if they told you that, right?

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I agree with all of this, and without trying to go too far into "let's blame the media for stuff," it is simply a fact of life that news coverage likes narratives, and they don't like much that deviates too much from it. This isn't just a news thing, look at the TV shows - they're all carbon copies of each other, sometimes down to the same script with a little variation. (To give one example of which there are so many, there was a show called 'Diff'rent Strokes" that featured two orphaned black kids raised by the rich single father on Park Avenue, who was widowed and lived with his housekeeper. I saw that same show when it was three orphaned white kids who lived on the Upper East Side with the rich single father and butler, it was called "Family Affair"....and bizarrely enough, one of the female actors on both shows died from a drug overdose in real life).

How often is the narrative about this big, bad AR-15, which the implication is always "AR stands for Assault Rifle," which it does not. Or if it's not an AR-15, it's "an AR-15-like rifle," which is designed to elicit a reaction. If they wanted to INFORM me, they'd tell me what the actual rifle is and then I could "research" it on Google like an anti-vaxxer/elections expert!

"Big scary gun" is the narrative. Never mind that over 3/4 of the textbook definition "mass shootings" are from the very handguns they won't be able to touch.

But you might not feel the warm fuzzies inside if they told you that, right?

I agree with all. The AR is simply a semi-automatic firing a .223 cartridge, that's all. It will accept a larger magazine, which most sporting rifles won't. CA had some success with limiting mag size, and, IMO, this should be done. However, I recognize that the changing of mags can be done so rapidly, the benefit is only marginal. The big change, since the 40s and 50s, when I grew up, has been with handguns. To put it succinctly, back then, if you owned a handgun, you fit into one of two classes. Either you were LEO or you were a criminal. I knew one individual with one and it was well known that he was the town heroin dealer. Otherwise, if you'd told me someone had a handgun, my reaction would have been "What on earth does he need that for?" Sort of like Reagan's opinion about someone carrying a long gun around openly. And, I grew up in a household where shotguns stacked in a corner of the kitchen, waiting to be cleaned was commonplace. Even when I was in law school, mid-'50s to early '60s, I knew one individual with a handgun, a Ruger Blackhawk .44 magnum. He was considered a weirdo for having it. I've been challenged on this by far younger folk, saying I must have been a naive weirdo myself and there must have been handguns all over the place. Well, I was there and my challengers were not. I was well-known and well-circulated. I even ran for SGA president. I knew what was going on on campus. I'm speaking from a glass house, since I now own several myself. IMO, the handgun problem became many magnitudes worse when the SCOTUS turned what the constitution clearly meant to be a corporate route, a militia, into an individual right...

 

[Bamaro]

3 dead in shooting at Target in Austin, suspect detained: Police

Three people are dead following a shooting at a Target store in Austin, Texas, according to police.

A suspect has been detained, police said.

And so it continues.

 

[92tide]

ajc is reporting that 500 shell casings and 5 guns we’re recovered from the scene of friday’s attack on the cdc.

nearly 200 rounds struck 6 separate cdc buildings

the dirtbag stole the 5 guns from his dad

CDC shooting: Developing live updates

Investigators plan to release more details Tuesday about shooting at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.ajc.com

 

[Bamaro]

ajc is reporting that 500 shell casings and 5 guns we’re recovered from the scene of friday’s attack on the cdc.

nearly 200 rounds struck 6 separate cdc buildings

the dirtbag stole the 5 guns from his dad

CDC shooting: Developing live updates

Investigators plan to release more details Tuesday about shooting at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

www.ajc.com

Unless his dad took 'reasonable' caution in securing the weapons, he should be arrested as an accessory.

 

[75thru79]

ajc is reporting that 500 shell casings and 5 guns we’re recovered from the scene of friday’s attack on the cdc.

nearly 200 rounds struck 6 separate cdc buildings

That's some really crappy marksmanship. He managed to squeeze off 500 rounds yet only 200 actually hit the CDC building, which is pretty big from his vantage point.

 

[92tide]

Unless his dad took 'reasonable' caution in securing the weapons, he should be arrested as an accessory.

i just breezed through the article, but iirc, the dude broke into his dad’s safe and the dad is cooperating fully with the authorities

 

[crimsonaudio]

This is every day in Memphis now...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1955280643593474548

 

[TIDE-HSV]

It's not really funny, but the stealing guns reminded me of an incident. We don't need a gun safe, being empty nesters. Lately, we decided that, because of several conditions, I needed an adjustable bed. The day before delivery, I remembered that I had a 9 mm auto pistol underneath the mattress of the old bed. I got down and felt for it, finally covering the near half of the underside of the mattress - no gun. I asked my wife about it and she remembered she had "turntabled" the mattress to swap sleeping sides, so she got on the other side to feel - still no gun. Finally, she remembered having found and removed the gun, placing it elsewhere. So, the deliverymen didn't have the shock of uncovering a gun when they came to remove the old mattress and install the new bed...

 

[Bazza]

Or, if you have guns, keeping them properly secured.

Like in a gun safe?

 

[Bazza]

This is every day in Memphis now...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1955280643593474548

 

[Padreruf]

Sending the troops to Memphis I guess -- unless Tenn's voting for Trump alleviates that possibility.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Sending the troops to Memphis I guess -- unless Tenn's voting for Trump alleviates that possibility.

There are many reasons Memphis has fallen, but it's catastrophic there now, and I'm not exaggerating.

Surging police/national guard/whatever might give some short term benefit, but there's a systemic, cultural collapse that's happened in Memphis that will literally take a generation (or more) to correct. And that's if those cultural issues are actually addressed, which there appears to be no real effort to do.

 

[jthomas666]

Like in a gun safe?

It's right there in the name. Gun. Safe.

 

[Bazza]

It's right there in the name. Gun. Safe.

the dude broke into his dad’s safe

See post #271 above.

Oops......not so safe, I guess.......

 

[Bazza]

There are many reasons Memphis has fallen, but it's catastrophic there now, and I'm not exaggerating.

Surging police/national guard/whatever might give some short term benefit, but there's a systemic, cultural collapse that's happened in Memphis that will literally take a generation (or more) to correct. And that's if those cultural issues are actually addressed, which there appears to be no real effort to do.

Some "expert" just now on News Nation's "The Hill" said regarding DC...."Yes there are hot spots. It's an urban community!"

LOL.....what does that mean? Excuses excuses.....