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uafan4life said:
I have to admit, it is rather fun watching all the Democratic angst over the yet-to-materialize blue wave.

For those of us with actual sanity, this is probably the best result with the Dems likely to slightly take over the House and the Reps to have a hold on the Senate; hopefully, the two-headed party-of-one will predominantly snap back and forth at each other's heads, mitigating the damage they can further.
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Usually I would agree with this. However, I think with Trump having the presidency a Democratic majority house and Senate would be better to keep him in check. (Oh god, I just said I want a group of politicians to babysit the president)
 
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MattinBama said:
A lot of people I’ve seen that follow things closely weren’t really expecting the Senate to flip until maybe 2020.
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Yeah, the GOP really didn't have that many at-risk seats in play this cycle.

On the plus side, looks like Kobach is losing the Kansas governor's race, which is a nice defeat of voter suppression.
 
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jthomas666 said:
Yeah, the GOP really didn't have that many at-risk seats in play this cycle.

On the plus side, looks like Kobach is losing the Kansas governor's race, which is a nice defeat of voter suppression.
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They had 45 members retire. They had a tremendous amount of seats in play. This was supposed to be a blue tsunami if you listen to the msm and read daily kos.

The Ds are underperforming—so far—against expectations.
 
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Looks like things are falling pretty much in line with the projections. Not as good as some Dems hoped, but good enough to stop the GOP obstruction in the House. Anything more than that was always gravy.
 
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MattinBama said:
You were responding to posts talking about the Senate.
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Sorry my bad. Hopefully this clarifies where I was coming from. I was referring to the HOUSE...

So, you members that associate with the D’s, when do the impeachment hearings begin—immediately at the beginning of the new year or maybe later in the spring?
 
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Dems control the House, Trump will stroke out before 2020.
They are going to make his life miserable, and it’s doubtful anything gets accomplished legislatively in the next two years.
Stalemate is better than more tax cuts for the rich anyway.


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deliveryman35 said:
Sorry my bad. Hopefully this clarifies where I was coming from. I was referring to the HOUSE...

So, you members that associate with the D’s, when do the impeachment hearings begin—immediately at the beginning of the new year or maybe later in the spring?
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If Mueller delivers evidence that warrants impeachment, it’ll start then. Nixon’s grand jury agreed to deliver the evidence against him to the House, so I presume Mueller will use that precedent if his investigation leads him to that point. Nixon resigned before he could be impeached, but Trump won’t.
 
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deliveryman35 said:
Sorry my bad. Hopefully this clarifies where I was coming from. I was referring to the HOUSE...
So, you members that associate with the D’s, when do the impeachment hearings begin—immediately at the beginning of the new year or maybe later in the spring?
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Impeachment is pointless so long as McConnell controls the Senate. That said, we will see a number of investigations into the Trump administration--if these can be run in a professional manner, as opposed to the "pack or rabid weasels" approach favored by the GOP in recent years, they might actually accomplish something for 2020.

Also, they really need a new leader. I'm not as anti-Pelosi as some around here, even on the left, but the bottom line is that the Dems need new blood and new leadership, if for no other reason than to signal an end to "business as usual."
 
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twofbyc said:
Dems control the House, Trump will stroke out before 2020.
They are going to make his life miserable, and it’s doubtful anything gets accomplished legislatively in the next two years.
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True enough, but the Dems need to send serious legislation to the Senate--as opposed to umpteen different bills to repeal Obamacare. They're playing with house money (heh).
 
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CharminTide said:
If Mueller delivers evidence that warrants impeachment, it’ll start then. Nixon’s grand jury agreed to deliver the evidence against him to the House, so I presume Mueller will use that precedent if his investigation leads him to that point. Nixon resigned before he could be impeached, but Trump won’t.
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Well DUH we know that’s gonna happen. And you cannot use the Nixon case as a model. The dems had the votes in both chambers against Nixon—they won’t this time.I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Trump conspired with the Russians and the office of the Russian presidency to buy the 2016 election. The proof is obvious. Don’t go wobbly on us now that the D’s control the gavels. Just do it!!
 
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CharminTide said:
If Mueller delivers evidence that warrants impeachment, it’ll start then. Nixon’s grand jury agreed to deliver the evidence against him to the House, so I presume Mueller will use that precedent if his investigation leads him to that point. Nixon resigned before he could be impeached, but Trump won’t.
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frankly i am mostly relieved that there is now a way to stop the continued attempts at the gutting of the aca. my family (and many others) would be completely screwed without it.
 
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92tide said:
frankly i am mostly relieved that there is now a way to stop the continued attempts at the gutting of the aca. my family (and many others) would be completely screwed without it.
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The individual mandate is gone. I really think that is all r/f R’s cared about. It’s basically a voluntary welfare program now. It was never at risk of being totally repealed—even with the previous R majority in Congress.
 
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deliveryman35 said:
The individual mandate is gone. I really think that is all r/f R’s cared about. It’s basically a voluntary welfare program now. It was never at risk of being totally repealed—even with the previous R majority in Congress.
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it was one vote (mccain) away from being gone last year. they have been trying to kill it with a thousand cuts.
 
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deliveryman35 said:
Well DUH we know that’s gonna happen. I thought it was a foregone conclusion that Trump conspired with the Russians and the office of the Russian presidency to buy the 2016 election. The proof is obvious. Don’t go wobbly on us now that the D’s control the gavels. Just do it!!
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Just because the GOP abused the powers of the House does not mean the Dems should or will. The proper time to begin considering impeachment is when there is sufficient evidence from congressional investigators or the special counsel. Until then, Dems should use their authority to introduce and pass good legislation, conduct the appropriate investigations that the GOP has blocked, and let the chips fall as they may.

And you cannot use the Nixon case as a model. The dems had the votes in both chambers against Nixon—they won’t this time.
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Of course I can, and I think you're missing the point. Had Mueller presented his findings to a GOP House, they could have buried it like everything else these past two years. Now they can't. This is separate from the question of whether impeachment/conviction is politically feasible.

deliveryman35 said:
The individual mandate is gone. I really think that is all r/f R’s cared about... It was never at risk of being totally repealed—even with the previous R majority in Congress.
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Absolutely absurd. They were literally one surprise vote away from doing this very thing.
 
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jthomas666 said:
Also, they really need a new leader. I'm not as anti-Pelosi as some around here, even on the left, but the bottom line is that the Dems need new blood and new leadership, if for no other reason than to signal an end to "business as usual."
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I actually think Pelosi is a very effective leader for the House Dems, but I agree that she needs to step aside. If the Dems are trying to brand themselves as the anti-corruption party, they need a new face. She's more of a liability than anything.
 
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