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Mack - I get that Davis is sometimes treated like he is John L. Smith or something, but my main concern about him is that he hasn't really improved the condition of any program he's gone to. He wouldn't be as horrible of a pick as it would seem, but I still wouldn't want him. It would seem like we hired him just because he's a Bama guy.

To answer the question, "Why not Mike Davis?" I think the answer is really, "Because the fans would probably give up entirely on basketball." Right or wrong.
 
wsims74 said:
Why not Mike Davis?? really? UAB fired him ... you think he can do better at UA than he did at UAB?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-blazers-fire-men-basketball-coach-mike-davis
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Let's not have selective memory. UAB screwed Davis. You're only as good as your players. He had both Demarcus Cousins and Eric Bledsoe committed for MONTHS. Directly from Cousins' mouth
"I committed to UAB. Decommitted. Committed to Memphis. I committed (to UAB) with (former coach) Mike Davis. I wanted to be able to have in my scholarship where if Mike were to leave, I would be able to as well but they didn't agree to it. So, I was really committing to the coach instead of the school but they didn't want to agree to that. So, I ended up decommitting. Then, I committed to Memphis. (John) Cal(ipari) left there and then ended up at Kentucky."
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So both he & Bledsoe wound up going to UK. So...it may just be me...but if you have two NBA All-Stars (as it turns out), it may make a difference in your performance.

And I can't say this enough..look at where his current team is and where ours is. *shrug*
 
He has no back channels. That's the sad thing..he can't even get an interview...most of these names that are popping up have CM Newton's fingerprints all over them
 
day-day said:
Who is Bruce Pearl?

On a serious note, I can't keep up with all the coaches being mentioned; who is Howell?
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Heh, Howell is a guy who coached a team to the final four, while at a mid-major, was an assistant at Alabama, makes the NCAA tournament ever year, and wants to leave his current job. And here I was all proud of myself for not calling Crean, Cream... Howland.

As far as Mike Davis, I seriously think he's a better candidate than Crean but I'm not sure how much that says. The logic would be that a coach is going to perform (in the post season and in terms of recruiting) better than he did at a mid-major, but worse than he did at a basketball power. So, for Davis that would indicate he'd probably get Alabama past the first round of the NCAA tournament, and probably get them there every other year, but probably not much more than that.
 
^ Past the first round of NCAA every year is a significant improvement over the last decade. If that is settling, then I'll sign up for settling.

Not saying that Davis is the choice. We could do lots worse, though.
 
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KrAzY3 said:
Heh, Howell is a guy who coached a team to the final four, while at a mid-major, was an assistant at Alabama, makes the NCAA tournament ever year, and wants to leave his current job. And here I was all proud of myself for not calling Crean, Cream... Howland.

As far as Mike Davis, I seriously think he's a better candidate than Crean but I'm not sure how much that says. The logic would be that a coach is going to perform (in the post season and in terms of recruiting) better than he did at a mid-major, but worse than he did at a basketball power. So, for Davis that would indicate he'd probably get Alabama past the first round of the NCAA tournament, and probably get them there every other year, but probably not much more than that.
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Got it; thanks!

I was thinking along the same lines as you regarding Mike Davis . As a basketball program, the UA falls a little below IU and as a basketball state, Alabama falls below Indiana so I wouldn't expect Davis to do better at Alabama. His overall winning percentage is 60.2%. Most coaches improve over time so there is a chance he would do better at Alabama now than he did at Indiana in the past.
 
Mike Davis has never make it past 2nd round in NCAA Touarment. He can get the team to the dance, but getting them to win in the touarnment is another story. If he can get his current team to get past second round, then maybe he'll erase that stigma of consistently failling in the big dance. I like him as a candidate, but long term, is he the answer? Are we looking for a coach that can develop players.. and look at the long term.. or a coach that can fix the issue and turn the program real quick and get to the dance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Davis_(basketball_coach)
 
I really want the job too... however CBB should not hire me..

"Trust me, from talking to him, he'd drop everything he's doing and walk to Tuscaloosa. He REALLY wants the job"
 
JustNeedMe81 said:
Mike Davis has never make it past 2nd round in NCAA Touarment. He can get the team to the dance, but getting them to win in the touarnment is another story. If he can get his current team to get past second round, then maybe he'll erase that stigma of consistently failling in the big dance. I like him as a candidate, but long term, is he the answer? Are we looking for a coach that can develop players.. and look at the long term.. or a coach that can fix the issue and turn the program real quick and get to the dance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Davis_(basketball_coach)
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http://www.iuhoosiers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/davis_mike00.html

That victory earned the Hoosiers their first Final Four appearance since 1992 and the eighth in school history. IU was the fourth No. 5 seed to advance to the Final Four, and it took one step closer to the sixth national title in school history when it turned back Oklahoma, 73-64. Maryland may have held off Indiana, 64-52, in the national championship game, but IU's 2001-02 campaign was already one for the record books.

A little further than the second round I'd say
 
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KrAzY3 said:
As far as Mike Davis, I seriously think he's a better candidate than Crean but I'm not sure how much that says. The logic would be that a coach is going to perform (in the post season and in terms of recruiting) better than he did at a mid-major, but worse than he did at a basketball power. So, for Davis that would indicate he'd probably get Alabama past the first round of the NCAA tournament, and probably get them there every other year, but probably not much more than that.
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Big difference in the two, IMO, is that Crean's record has improved 13 out of the 16 years he's been a head coach, and one of the years his record got worse was due to a job change. Davis' teams have only improved in 7 of 15 years. Crean makes programs better, Davis makes programs worse. But, none of that matters anyway since neither will be our head coach. But I really like the idea of a guy whose teams actually get better year to year.
 
Mike Davis.

Hmmm, I don't know. Being a UAB fan also, I do understand how the school's stupid stance affected his ability to bring in Cousins and Bledsoe. Heck, I brought them up in a different thread because I know guys that caliber will stay in-state, with the right guy.

At Indiana, 4 NCAAs in 6 years, with 12 losses being the LEAST amount of losses. He followed Bob Knight, which was no walk in the park though.

At UAB, 1 NCAA in 6 years. Sounds familiar, right? But CUSA is not a 4-to-7 bid league like the SEC. Regardless, he had 4 decent seasons sandwiched between 2 bad ones. I stayed on the fence about him, because of the Cousins debacle, but the inconsistent teams and sometimes-stale X's and O's turned me off.

At Texas Southern, in 3 years, he's either won the conference or the conference tourney, and gone to the NCAA the last 2 years from the SWAC. That's respectable.

Conclusion. He can recruit. He can maintain good relationships with the high schools. I wouldn't say he's a 'great' coach, so can he coach Alabama up to be a team that we'd all be proud of? I just don't know. If we can get a coach that is a sure bet to take us to the next level, let's go for the home run. I'm not sure Davis is in "home run" territory. After what I've read of someone like Howland, I'd rather have Davis than him. But if we can get the no-brainer guy, let's do that. :)
 
Looks like we can rule out Tom Crean, allegedly..
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JustNeedMe81 said:
Mike Davis has never make it past 2nd round in NCAA Touarment. He can get the team to the dance, but getting them to win in the touarnment is another story. If he can get his current team to get past second round, then maybe he'll erase that stigma of consistently failling in the big dance. I like him as a candidate, but long term, is he the answer? Are we looking for a coach that can develop players.. and look at the long term.. or a coach that can fix the issue and turn the program real quick and get to the dance?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Davis_(basketball_coach)
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With Knight's players or not, Mike Davis coached in a national championship game. Loved him as a player but I believe that the fury that made him so good a competitor sometimes works against him.

Mack, your thoughts?
 
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