Bama Game Thread: Official PostGame Thread - Bama @ FSU...

[BamaFan6462]

He needs to be asked directly about the lack of effort captured on film by a lot of the players.

He does. He also needs to give an answer on why fans should expect improvement now when nothing changed between Jan-Aug. The AD also needs to pay close attention to the answer.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

That's true indeed.

His feet need to be publicly held to fire on that until it changes. It was an awful look. But I dont expect this staff to be here next season, even with buyout. Trust, it will get so bad Bama alums and boosters will find the money to make it happen. Ive seen enough from the second half of the season until yesterday. This hire was a big mistake.

 

[bamaga]

We talked all offseason about getting back to the Alabama standard. guess It was just talk

 

[OconeeTide]

His feet need to be publicly held to fire on that until it changes. It was an awful look. But I dont expect this staff to be here next season, even with buyout. Trust, it will get so bad Bama alums and boosters will find the money to make it happen. Ive seen enough from the second half of the season until yesterday. This hire was a big mistake.

I hope you are right about the alums and boosters because its blindingly obvious this hire was a big mistake.
At this point, maintaining the championship caliber team is a out of reach goal. They really might want to consider cleaning house, including a good look at whether we need to keep Byrne on.
This program has to reset its culture and build it back from the ground up.
Either we stand pat with CKD and fade into obscurity or take the bitter pill and rebuild.

 

[bamaga]

His feet need to be publicly held to fire on that until it changes. It was an awful look. But I dont expect this staff to be here next season, even with buyout. Trust, it will get so bad Bama alums and boosters will find the money to make it happen. Ive seen enough from the second half of the season until yesterday. This hire was a big mistake.

I’ve tried to support him. I heard everyone say this coaching staff is the best we have had in years, much better than Nick’s last staff . I guess with coaching staffs, Nick can take Hisn and beat Your’n or take Your’n and beat His’n .
I saw a lot of half speed, no effort plays. No physicality after the first drive. What was with all the Thud practices we heard about? I turned it off after the second FSU TD. I already saw that nothing has changed . Nothing. So maybe it wasn’t LANK after all.

 

[BamaFanInTally]

I agree that there were definitely cracks in the culture going back to 2022, but what is so striking to me is Saban’s last year and the adversity he faced and overcame, and had us on the brink of nearly returning to the NC game. I still believe it was his best coaching effort, given what was stacked against the team. This roster on paper is more talented, but produces less. And that squarely falls on coaching.

My biggest frustration is defensive scheme. Saban’s 3-4 base defense would often feature 4 d-lineman, as they would revert to a 4-3, sometimes or a 4-2-5 as needed. The knock on Saban (and by extension now Kirby’s) defense is the complexity. When Smart left for UGA, getting Pruitt back and having him simplify the defense was fantastic. Wommack’s defense looks dazed, confused, and slow.

 

[bamaga]

 

[JDCrimson]

More like Toodles...

So, are you saying our defense was Minnie Mouse? That sounds about right.

 

[JDCrimson]

In the NIL and unlimited transfer portal era, I dont think coach buyouts really help the situation it makes it way worse.

Imo, the next coach we bring in need no buyout but paid $15m-$20m per year. Put the assistant coaches under 2yr buyouts. If we are going to suffer lack of continuity we might as well get everything aligned to deal with the lack of continuity.

 

[Bama9001]

I remember when we lost to Mizzou to start the season and then went on to win the rest of our games, ending with a win over PSU in the Sugar bowl. We looked really bad against Mizzou. We had a really good coach back in those days but can't remember who right now.

It's the first game so no matter how bad it looked it was the first game.

FSU was an absolutely desperate team, a team that specifically blamed Bama for a lot of their problems, and we cruised into town with the big head and a ridiculously relaxed attitude. Under CKD, we've been very bad on the road.

Our fundamentals on defense looked bad last night. Every time a player attacked, and then hesitated, I was looking around to see if CNS was going to come screaming onto the field. Unfortunately, CNS wasn't there to offer any coaching tips. When a big guy or a linebacker hesitates like that he no longer really has any positive impact on the play...he makes it easy for that slick little QB to ignore him and start looking for the next would-be tackler.

We need to focus on receivers that can catch the ball. Drops were huge last night.

Ty made a couple bad decisions and his passing was not nearly as crisp as I expected. He did play with great effort without much help from his OL. Been stated often but I really wish we had got him some meaningful laying time last year. I'd be interested to hear opinions on how Ty did in the pocket...did he bail too soon on some occasions?

I thought the rotation was just too deep. Perhaps we thought we had the luxury of auditioning a lot of players. Seemed like too many WRs, DBs, RBs. I'd expect to see that really trimmed down.

The injured guys being out really hurt, which I wasn't expecting. Really thought we had depth at those spots. If we had depth they never stepped up.

I'm not giving up yet but I'd like us to start looking at consultants/advisors we could bring in to help the defense. Just better fundamentals would be huge.

 

[bamaga]

I agree that there were definitely cracks in the culture going back to 2022, but what is so striking to me is Saban’s last year and the adversity he faced and overcame, and had us on the brink of nearly returning to the NC game. I still believe it was his best coaching effort, given what was stacked against the team. This roster on paper is more talented, but produces less. And that squarely falls on coaching.

My biggest frustration is defensive scheme. Saban’s 3-4 base defense would often feature 4 d-lineman, as they would revert to a 4-3, sometimes or a 4-2-5 as needed. The knock on Saban (and by extension now Kirby’s) defense is the complexity. When Smart left for UGA, getting Pruitt back and having him simplify the defense was fantastic. Wommack’s defense looks dazed, confused, and slow.

It’s a read and react system, which by nature is a little slower, especially until players fully understand and play fast. All defenses have reads, but they are usually presnap or at the snap. Like a backer reading an Olineman’s head to determine if it’s a pass or run. I think Gus’s HS gadget/TRICKERATION offense was the perfect offense to confuse, slow down that style of defense. You have to treat Gus like option football , play disciplined assignment football.
This defense has those multiple looks as well, as others have pointed out, we ran a 3-3-5 as our base about 50% of the time, but that wasn’t true either . With Anderson and Dallas Turner , one or the other played with their hand in the dirt about 60% of the time. that made it in effect a 4-2-5 system . I think Nick famously said in his last game against Georgia they stopped them after their first drive by putting Turner’s hand in the dirt Instead of dropping back in pass coverage.

 

[Mystical]

Watching that game last night made me think maybe Milroe wasn't the problem. Still looks like no receivers open. We had all off season to work on a Gus Malzone offense. Not like we don't have a ton of film on it. Same offense he was running in high school. I watched 2 games yesterday. After that loss to FSU I had to turn the tv off. This new NLI is making me lose my passion for the game. I also feel disconnected from this team. I get the feeling within the next 10 years there will be a big decline in fan passion for the game entirely.

 

[bamamc1]

After having time to cool off I’ll say that I’m going to support this team and its coaches. What else can we do? It’s obvious we love Alabama or we wouldn’t sit and celebrate, elaborate, cheer the wins, and are sometimes sickened by a loss. Hopefully, we can turn this around. What else are we going to do: cheer for the barn.?

 

[tusks_n_raider]

He needs to be asked directly about the lack of effort captured on film by a lot of the players.

I’m hot about it.

Ty, Riley, Germie, Young were out there playing their guts out giving effort and just about everyone else was afraid to get touched.

RW dropped a pass because he heard footsteps.

Ty’s running for his life hits him right in the hands and goes into alligator arm mode like Keith Brown.

These dudes are S O F T Soft like deluxe Charmin.

Smitty had a build like RW and would TRUCK LBs and DBs on running plays.

I’m not afraid to lose anyone on this roster except for like 5-6 guys I see trying.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1962162073288257717

Should be Off the team.

Inexcusable.

 

[bamaga]

Turned on NewsNation to catch the news, the lead story was the college football season opening weekend . As they were doing the intro talk with AP reporter Eddie Pells, , he made the comment he was glad they started the segment with the field storming at FSU because he thinks we are getting to the point where beating Alabama is just high five the guy next to you and walk out of the stadium. OUCH!

 

[bamaga]

Should be Off the team.

Inexcusable.

You wouldn’t expect this from Bray. I mean he was one of the lowest rated kids on the team coming out of HS. Someone made the comment Earl Little played physical, Bray Hubbard played soft. This wasn’t the Bray Hubbard we saw last year.

 

[CrimsonTheory]

I'm not ready to jump on the "Fire Kalen" bandwagon mainly because once you start on that carousel, you wound up firing HC every 2-3 years. You end up in a Tennessee (before they landed Heupel) or Auburn situation and unending coaching searches. OTOH, you can not allow this culture to settle. I'm not there, YET, on firing Deboer but I am starting to have thoughts about the possibility.

The way I see it is, this season comes down, unbelievably, to W2. Lose this game and this season could be derailed quickly. Lose W2 and the playoffs becomes a longshot and alot of "business decisions" are going to be made.

UL-Monroe better be a blowout game.

 

[BAMARICH]

Cecil Hurt said you don't change coaches bc of who you can get. You change coaches when you become convinced that the one you have is not the right one. In other words, once you know you got the wrong coach, then you change. No sense in keeping the wrong coach just bc you don't know who you can get. I'm not advocating changing coaches. Just saying I thought Cecil's logic made a lot of sense.

You might not remember, but we didn’t cut Shula loose until we were assured we had a fighting chance for Saban. Prior to that, we changed coaches following that logic and we consistently got subpar hires. Not to mention the money involved nowadays.

 

[BAMARICH]

100%. Deboer is a loyalty first guy, maybe that is the big mistake...we needed to bring in better players on the DL and OL but he stuck with who we had last season for the most part...and both of those were second-best to FSU yesterday..

I’ve thought about that some. Both he and Dabo are seemingly cut from that cloth. IF you’re that kind of guy, you can’t afford a lot of HS recruiting misses AND you have to do a stellar job in development. Definitely having trouble with the second part of that.