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Your best investment in case the system fails is ammunition...
Saban signs multi-year extension w/Bama, shorthorns on suicide watch...
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While I think CNS has had some "thinking" time in regards to his status at UA, I have become increasingly confident that most of the info from the UT side has been fake and released purposefully to put pressure on Mack to resign.
While I think CNS has had some "thinking" time in regards to his status at UA, I have become increasingly confident that most of the info from the UT side has been fake and released purposefully to put pressure on Mack to resign.
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I would be shocked if he resigns. Mack is a confident and successful guy with a lot of pride. I bet the major reason he refuses to step down is the guy being hunted to replace him is his age and beat him in a BCSNC game. Remember, Mack stated "if Colt had played it wouldn't have been close."
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Well gosh.... I was feeling sorry for Mack until you reminded me of that stupid statement.
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That would explain the sudden "support" from officials at Texas. Today several of them came out and said that this is Mack's decision. IMO, this is the Texas administration's attempt to salvage the deal with Mack. If Mack doesn't take the deal, others will have to be fired to get him out. They will have to blow it all up.
I think that Mack had a deal done to resign, and he was going to announce it before/after/during the team banquet. He was going to make it sound like it was his idea. Then the story of him being forced out got leaked and he got upset. He has now lost control of the message, and he is fighting to gain that control back.
That would explain the sudden "support" from officials at Texas. Today several of them came out and said that this is Mack's decision. IMO, this is the Texas administration's attempt to salvage the deal with Mack. If Mack doesn't take the deal, others will have to be fired to get him out. They will have to blow it all up.
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Are we "revisiting" already?
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Texas-Texas A&M and politics go hand in hand. We have a Public University Fund(PUF) in Texas which is money from oil in west Texas among other things. The University of Texas system gets 2/3 of the money and the Texas A&M system gets 1/3 of the money. Considering the fund was 9 billion right after the market crash in 2008(and probably much more now), the Aggie's don't like that and want it 50/50.
They want to be the premier state school in Texas. There is a lot of political infighting between Texas and Texas A&M.
Because Perry only has 4 of 9 on the regents board. Not a majority. Although they have been trying for the past year to get that 5th vote to remove Powers as president.
Texas-Texas A&M and politics go hand in hand. We have a Public University Fund(PUF) in Texas which is money from oil in west Texas among other things. The University of Texas system gets 2/3 of the money and the Texas A&M system gets 1/3 of the money. Considering the fund was 9 billion right after the market crash in 2008(and probably much more now), the Aggie's don't like that and want it 50/50.
They want to be the premier state school in Texas. There is a lot of political infighting between Texas and Texas A&M.
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However, no matter what I anticipate a few extra early entries into the NFL draft in that scenario, and a few extra transfers, especially if the coach is a radical departure from Nick Saban. That wouldn't gut the team in and of itself, but you couple that with loss of staff, and recruits, and the notion of Nick Saban leaving the team in great shape is diminished. It's not that they couldn't compete, it's just that they wouldn't be what Nick Saban built anymore.
I suppose one valid question would be how cordial Nick Saban might be in a departure. I'd guess in his mind, he could leave without doing great harm to what he built at Alabama, but Texas wouldn't be paying him to care about Alabama. Would he honor all of Mack Brown's scholarship offers? Would he do what's generally seen as the right thing, and not try to recruit players committed to Alabama (it's generally considered bad form for an assistant to leave Alabama and try to lure a commit away)? You can get into several gentlemanly ways for Nick Saban to leave Texas for Alabama, but that runs counter to why he'd be leaving and why they'd be paying him so much. Results are expected, and soon. The best way to do that, as I said before is to cart off as much of what he's built at Alabama as he can.
I still don't think he leaves, and those are some of the reasons why he wouldn't. He wouldn't really be under less pressure, he wouldn't really be helping his legacy, he'd just be creating new problems. Ultimately, does Nick Saban want to be the bad guy? If he does, Texas is attractive, otherwise it's not.
Well, with the right coach he would be able to compensate. Let's just say it was Jimbo Fisher for example (don't like that guy much, but...). Since he's been recruiting some of the same guys, and he's running a similar defense, he could deal fairly well with the situation.
However, no matter what I anticipate a few extra early entries into the NFL draft in that scenario, and a few extra transfers, especially if the coach is a radical departure from Nick Saban. That wouldn't gut the team in and of itself, but you couple that with loss of staff, and recruits, and the notion of Nick Saban leaving the team in great shape is diminished. It's not that they couldn't compete, it's just that they wouldn't be what Nick Saban built anymore.
I suppose the first point would be that Mack Brown has been criticized for being kind of lazy with recruiting and just snagging the top ranked Texas guys. Texas would be getting Saban to do things differently, and that would include moving a bit east, in particular (as has been mentioned) Louisiana. Alabama hasn't been that far ahead of a lot of other SEC programs in recruiting, generally it's a handful of guys that really makes the difference.
I suppose one valid question would be how cordial Nick Saban might be in a departure. I'd guess in his mind, he could leave without doing great harm to what he built at Alabama, but Texas wouldn't be paying him to care about Alabama. Would he honor all of Mack Brown's scholarship offers? Would he do what's generally seen as the right thing, and not try to recruit players committed to Alabama (it's generally considered bad form for an assistant to leave Alabama and try to lure a commit away)? You can get into several gentlemanly ways for Nick Saban to leave Texas for Alabama, but that runs counter to why he'd be leaving and why they'd be paying him so much. Results are expected, and soon. The best way to do that, as I said before is to cart off as much of what he's built at Alabama as he can.
I still don't think he leaves, and those are some of the reasons why he wouldn't. He wouldn't really be under less pressure, he wouldn't really be helping his legacy, he'd just be creating new problems. Ultimately, does Nick Saban want to be the bad guy? If he does, Texas is attractive, otherwise it's not.
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These were a lot more definitive though.
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Red McCombs is a big Texas booster and a billionaire. He is actually a pretty good guy.
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Clearly, Saban leaving at this juncture would be damaging to the current recruiting process without him even actively pursuing guys committed to us. I think we could hire a quality coach - we have so much talent available and improved coaching environment thanks to Saban - but that coach would have to really put in some work to keep guys from jumping ship (especially the national guys who were probably mostly committing to the Saban program and not our school...lets be honest about that).
I really think that most of the Saban to Texas smoke is from the Austin end and probably just a combination of booster/fan arrogance (he's who we want and who we'll get by gawd!) and a backdoor way to push Mack Brown out the door. Sexton is playing this like a good agent but Bill Battle would have to botch the extension process to push Saban away. I just don't think he wants to build another program at his age. I don't think he wants to go into an unknown environment with uncertainty in how he'll fit.
Clearly, Saban leaving at this juncture would be damaging to the current recruiting process without him even actively pursuing guys committed to us. I think we could hire a quality coach - we have so much talent available and improved coaching environment thanks to Saban - but that coach would have to really put in some work to keep guys from jumping ship (especially the national guys who were probably mostly committing to the Saban program and not our school...lets be honest about that).
I really think that most of the Saban to Texas smoke is from the Austin end and probably just a combination of booster/fan arrogance (he's who we want and who we'll get by gawd!) and a backdoor way to push Mack Brown out the door. Sexton is playing this like a good agent but Bill Battle would have to botch the extension process to push Saban away. I just don't think he wants to build another program at his age. I don't think he wants to go into an unknown environment with uncertainty in how he'll fit.
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According to AJ, Miss Terry wouldn't allow Coach to leave Alabama...and much stronger statement from AJ today than yesterday. http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/12/miss_terry_wouldnt_allow_nick.html
According to AJ, Miss Terry wouldn't allow Coach to leave Alabama...and much stronger statement from AJ today than yesterday. http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/12/miss_terry_wouldnt_allow_nick.html
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Says the guy who has the business school at UT named after him.
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Assuming this is all being done out of Austin to pressure Brown into retirement, could we see something similar? Texas has a botched attempt to get their desired coach, they pressure Brown to resign, only he doesn't and then proceeds to reel off a magical season next year. They did play some pretty good ball in conference this year, so its not inconceivable that Texas could win the Big-12 title and a BCS bowl next year, making firing Brown incredibly difficult.
If this is true, it reminds a bit of the Barn in 2003. They were basically busted interviewing Petrino in Louisville and a lot of information came out regarding their desire to have him be the new coach. This was done to pressure Tubbs into resigning (so they wouldn't have to pay the buyout or rest of his contract). Tubbs refused to resign and proceeded to go undefeated the very next season, making it incredibly difficult to fire him.
Assuming this is all being done out of Austin to pressure Brown into retirement, could we see something similar? Texas has a botched attempt to get their desired coach, they pressure Brown to resign, only he doesn't and then proceeds to reel off a magical season next year. They did play some pretty good ball in conference this year, so its not inconceivable that Texas could win the Big-12 title and a BCS bowl next year, making firing Brown incredibly difficult.
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I would think Ohio State would be the only other possibility but I'm sure they are happy with Meyer.
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Kirk Bohls of the Austin American-Statesman tweeted this just now:
Kirk Bohls of the Austin American-Statesman tweeted this just now:
And this an hour ago:
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What I found odd in that article was AJ is referring to Tuscaloosa as there instead of here?
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