Shula's Personality

[Rainmaker27]

Interesting replies, guys, although the only one I'm buying here is Bill Belichick. The others mentioned, while maybe not the "yell and scream" type, are still Type A personalities, IMO, and Shula does not seem to be.

Joe Gibbs, for instance, is not the type to ream a guy out for a mistake, but he still demonstrates a lot of intensity, is assertive, and--more generally--seems to be a born leader. I simply do not see those qualities in Mike Shula. To be clear, that's not to say he can't succeed--I simply can't think of many coaches with his apparent personality that have been particularly successful.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I think someone like CMS could do well if he has the right coaches under him. With a few tweaks he may be a winner. CMS doesn't have to do all the butt chewing...he just needs to see the overall picture and put his stamp of approval on it.

True, but when his assistants chew butt, assign punishment, or say "your butt better be in the weight room tomorrow," he needs to back them up - and it needs to be equally backed up for the star QB as for the walkon. That's not been happening. It's part of what I think of as the "NFL hangover."

 

[TideFan in AU]

True, but when his assistants chew butt, assign punishment, or say "your butt better be in the weight room tomorrow," he needs to back them up - and it needs to be equally backed up for the star QB as for the walkon. That's not been happening. It's part of what I think of as the "NFL hangover."

Coming from you Earle, I'm assuming you know this to be true. Are you saying that he is contradicting the other coaches, or is he simply not involved?

 

[TerryP]

True, but when his assistants chew butt, assign punishment, or say "your butt better be in the weight room tomorrow," he needs to back them up - and it needs to be equally backed up for the star QB as for the walkon. That's not been happening. It's part of what I think of as the "NFL hangover."

That mentality, as we've discussed off of the forum, has lead to some of the problems. One area I really want to see improvement is the way he deals with the players in all situations...not just discipline areas. He has to realize he's in the position of a mentor, not just a coach, and he just doesn't get it!

 

[Big_Fan]

I think someone like CMS could do well if he has the right coaches under him. With a few tweaks he may be a winner. CMS doesn't have to do all the butt chewing...he just needs to see the overall picture and put his stamp of approval on it.

Agreed...see my caretaker post.

 

[jthomas666]

In 2004 he was very emotional on the sidelines. It seems like everytime the TV cameras were on him he was letting out some words you don't teach to your children.

So have I, for quite a few years now . . . :wink:

 

[jthomas666]

That mentality, as we've discussed off of the forum, has lead to some of the problems. One area I really want to see improvement is the way he deals with the players in all situations...not just discipline areas. He has to realize he's in the position of a mentor, not just a coach, and he just doesn't get it!

Do you think it might help if Stallings sat him down and explained it to him? I always had the impression that CGS had the right attitude towards developing the players as people first, and players second.

 

[bayoutider]

Coming from you Earle, I'm assuming you know this to be true. Are you saying that he is contradicting the other coaches, or is he simply not involved?

Lack of involvement and uneven treatment of some players.

 

[jthomas666]

Lack of involvement and uneven treatment of some players.

I was afraid of something like this going on underneath the PR screwup up that was the beginning of the season suspensions. While it's perfectly understandable that some situations might be handled differently depending on circumstances, there should never be a suggestion that the circumstance is simply a matter of how important the player is to the team. That way leads to Fulmer suspending Arians Foster for one half while two other players who did the exact some thing got longer suspensions.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Do you think it might help if Stallings sat him down and explained it to him? I always had the impression that CGS had the right attitude towards developing the players as people first, and players second.

Not having played for CMS, I have to go on what I hear from players and other close observers of the program. It's my believe that empathy is either inborn or it's modeled at a very young age. It can't be imparted to adults by lecture, if at all. Did CGS's experience with a special needs son have an impact on him, so far as empathy is concerned? Very probably. I don't think our players have experienced empathy at the HC position since CGS. Now, when you get to the NFL level, I don't think most of the players expect, or receive, empathetic treatment. They understand that they're on their own and will be used until they're used up. By that point, they're no longer kids...

 

[BamaJama17]

He is NFL.

 

[Tide&True]

He is NFL.

The same could be said of Nick Saben...but no one at LSU was complaining.

 

[NBF_Bama_Cavalry]

It's been in the newspapers before, at halftime of some of the games where the team was REALLY flat or playing poorly, Ole Miss last year and Duke or FIU this year maybe, some of the players have stated that Shula was quite animated.

Bamafan in BFKY summed it up, just because Shula is composed on the sidelines doesn't mean he is always like that. Control in front of the cameras doesn't mean that Shula is meek.

That's BGKY. BF is in Egypt! :biggrin2:

 

[HammerJammer]

One area I really want to see improvement is the way he deals with the players in all situations...not just discipline areas.

so if you're hoping to see improvement it sounds like he'll be around for another year :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown: :frown:

 

[BAMAHD]

I have heard over the years from coaches that it is a different style between college and pro. College players have to be taught everything including discipline,and a strong work ethic to be successfull.
In the pro's the players have million dollar contracts and the coaches expect the players to have all these qualitys. The coaches say they are grown men with a job to do and they should not have to be told what to do,,, in the offseason.

 

[Displaced Bama Fan]

but then you have the opposite end of the spectrum (i.e. coach o) which does you no good either.

See Ole Miss.

 

[TexasBammer]

I actually like Shula's demeanor on the sidelines. Heck, I even like his bullheadedness and coach speak. All of these are really annoying when you lose, though.

I've always had a bit of an issue with a "player's" coach, but I'm a bit old school there.

Most of my problem with him is results....

He doesn't appear to be a good motivator... His teams are oft ill prepared.. He seemingly doesn't make adjustments. He doesn't seem to be a good evaluator of coaches. According to our personnel, he's an average recruiter. He doesn't seem to modify his system to the strength of the players..

The good news for Shula is that if I were to coach tomorrow, it would be my first day... so take it for what it's worth:smile:

 

[crbama92]

Do you think it might help if Stallings sat him down and explained it to him?

This is an absolute great idea

 

[dougietide]

Did anyone hear Herb Winches interview Dave Rader on "The Big Time" on election day? He asked Rader about CMS's demeanor and Rader said that the general fan base don't see the side of CMS the assts and players see in the locker room or when they have closed practices. He said CMS is very animated. He said that fans have complained before when TV cameras pick up CMS on the sidelines yelling at refs and noticeably saying some pretty off-color words, then fans get mad when the TV cameras show CMS just staring out to the field like he's wondering about what Shari is preparing for dinner that night.

 

[alatider]

I wasn't aware that he even had one (personality).