Starters for Bowl Game?

[BamaInCummingGA]

He wasn’t saving eligibility by not playing them. Stated no one played better in practice. Never replaced Milroe as bad as he got. Even if giving him almost unlimited lead to play for staying it still means no one was far better or not in his eyes during the season.

We'll just have to agree to disagree........there were things going on that kept someone in a position and locked others out. believe what you want.

 

[TheRealPokeChop]

We'll just have to agree to disagree........there were things going on that kept someone in a position and locked others out. believe what you want.

Im not a mod but there is a rumor policy on this board that is being shredded right now and someone needs to gently remind you to stop posting this.


Edited to correct mid to mod, though I am also very much a mid.

 

[BamaInCummingGA]

Im not a mid but there is a rumor policy on this board that is being shredded right now and someone needs to gently remind you to stop posting this.

10-4

 

[bamadwain]

Agreed. It's interesting to look at the direction we were headed offensively under the Saban staff - Milroe, Simpson and Lonergan were all "dual threat" players who rushed for serious yardage at the high school level. Of the guys on the roster currently, only Mack fits the true "pocket passer" archetype (which makes sense).

If we roll with the guys currently on the roster, DeBoer will be faced with an interesting decision from a schematic standpoint. Does he try to shift back towards what he ran at Washington - which is basically the Air Raid with tight ends and a little bit more balance? Or does he continue to try and utilize an athletic QB and adapt his offense accordingly like 2024? I suspect if Ty ends up starting it's the latter.

Apparently you didn't see Ty play in high school, I did, kid was a thrower first then runner, yes he was a dual threat but the guy can sling it

 

[Toddrn]

Im not a mid but there is a rumor policy on this board that is being shredded right now and someone needs to gently remind you to stop posting this.

From what I have seen posted in the LANK thread it doesn't appear to be a rumor.

LANK/NIL...

It is high time that all of the bare bones of this deal be made transparent and completely public. I'm getting a nagging feeling that more is involved than just $$. If so, we contributors and fans are entitled to know. IN 99.9% of similar situations to last night, JM would have been pulled. He...

www.tidefans.com

 

[CB4]

From what I have seen posted in the LANK thread it doesn't appear to be a rumor.

LANK/NIL...

It is high time that all of the bare bones of this deal be made transparent and completely public. I'm getting a nagging feeling that more is involved than just $$. If so, we contributors and fans are entitled to know. IN 99.9% of similar situations to last night, JM would have been pulled. He...

www.tidefans.com

I believe JessN posted an article not many weeks ago basically outlining the LANK mine field that Coach DeBoer had to navigate in order to attempt to keep this team from coming apart at the seams. Some serious locker room issues associated with certain players that, because they helped keep players on the team and out of the portal when Saban retired, felt they had a right to call the shots

And I put a lot of stock in what Jess posts.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

I have ceased speculating on who can play QB in the NFL. My last statement was that Jalen Hurts could be an RB but not a QB...shows how much I know...the best scenario is JM will be someone else's challenge.

I think a lot of us were wrong about Jalen Hurts.

He’s basically the ideal template of what you want from a player.

He just relentlessly worked hard behind the scenes and addressed any issues he needed to improve upon.

He does and says all the right things.

Him coming off the bench to beat UGA for the SEC Championship is one of my favorite moments.

I can’t watch the post game very often with CNS and Jalen because it gets too dusty around me.

 

[Cruloc]

If so, he'll have to do it without the script "A"...

Perfect then for the Colts horseshoe.

 

[CB4]

I think a lot of us were wrong about Jalen Hurts.

He’s basically the ideal template of what you want from a player.

He just relentlessly worked hard behind the scenes and addressed any issues he needed to improve upon.

He does and says all the right things.

Him coming off the bench to beat UGA for the SEC Championship is one of my favorite moments.

I can’t watch the post game very often with CNS and Jalen because it gets too dusty around me.

That was just it. Jalen didn’t whine when he got benched. He WENT TO WORK. That year sitting behind Tua and working with Dan Enos (good QB coach, miserable person) set Hurts for up for success at Oklahoma and then Philadelphia.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

That was just it. Jalen didn’t whine when he got benched. He WENT TO WORK. That year sitting behind Tua and working with Dan Enos (good QB coach, miserable person) set Hurts for up for success at Oklahoma and then Philadelphia.

Yeah he didn’t hold anything against Tua either.

Those two genuinely supported each other.

They were competitive sure… but you hardly ever saw Tua and Jalen not next to each other and they cheered each other on.

But what he never did was throw a hissy fit tantrum around a position coach because of a film review critique or try to bury other players on the depth chart.

 

[Ledsteplin]

Weird matchup. Both DeBoer’s last game at Washington and the game in which Milroe struggled mightily.

I thought it was a center <> Milroe oddity.

 

[tideindc]

Yes

You clearly have not watched qb play in the NFL.

Hes much better than anthony Richardson when he went 4th overall. He's a more gifted runner than any qb in the league and he can throw it a mile.

There's at least 4 teams that probably HAVE to go qb round 1.

Also, He will have break twitter at the combine.

Hes a first round pick, assuming those 4 teams don't wait for the second round on a qb....also the draft is kinda weak this year and all the top qbs are some kind of project or another.

You say Milroe is “a more gifted runner than anyone “ in the NFL? You must not watch the NFL…better than Lamar Jackson ?? Jayden Daniels, Jalen hurts, Kyler Murray..Josh Allen..pat mahomes…to mention a few.

 

[Ledsteplin]

Quickn

You say Milroe is “a more gifted runner than anyone “ in the NFL? You must not watch the NFL…better than Lamar Jackson ?? Jayden Daniels, Jalen hurts, Kyler Murray..Josh Allen..pat mahomes…to mention a few. Cut me a break.

Quickness and speed maybe. Juke moves maybe not.

 

[The Ols]

You say Milroe is “a more gifted runner than anyone “ in the NFL? You must not watch the NFL…better than Lamar Jackson ?? Jayden Daniels, Jalen hurts, Kyler Murray..Josh Allen..pat mahomes…to mention a few. Cut me a break.

Everyone’s angry right now…you’d have made your point w/out the last shot. Just sayin’…

 

[tideindc]

Everyone’s angry right now…you’d have made your point w/out the last shot. Just sayin’…

Agree and I removed it. My bad

 

[81usaf92]

Hes Not less anything than Vince Young honestly. Except the national title

And yea you better get ready for him to be your qb. Hes an outright better athlete than levis fwiw.

If Milroe makes it past his rookie contract as a starter it would be a miracle. He doesn’t have the throwing and processing ability to succeed or atleast hasn’t shown it here. The NFL isn’t a place where you get better with OJT. You either are Him or you are out fast.

 

[gtgilbert]

Agreed. It's interesting to look at the direction we were headed offensively under the Saban staff - Milroe, Simpson and Lonergan were all "dual threat" players who rushed for serious yardage at the high school level. Of the guys on the roster currently, only Mack fits the true "pocket passer" archetype (which makes sense).

If we roll with the guys currently on the roster, DeBoer will be faced with an interesting decision from a schematic standpoint. Does he try to shift back towards what he ran at Washington - which is basically the Air Raid with tight ends and a little bit more balance? Or does he continue to try and utilize an athletic QB and adapt his offense accordingly like 2024? I suspect if Ty ends up starting it's the latter.

Milroe was only recruited because we missed on the guys we wanted, who were more pocket passers, and he was the best we could get to flip.

Simpson wasn't a running QB in HS. He was a passer who could escape the pocket when needed and was fast enough to get yards.

Lonergan was pretty much like Simpson

Saban was not shifting our philosophy toward a running QB style. He hired BOB and CTR, both are pro-style guys, not RPO running the QB guys.

 

[gtgilbert]

Yes

You clearly have not watched qb play in the NFL.

Hes much better than anthony Richardson when he went 4th overall. He's a more gifted runner than any qb in the league and he can throw it a mile.

There's at least 4 teams that probably HAVE to go qb round 1.

Also, He will have break twitter at the combine.

Hes a first round pick, assuming those 4 teams don't wait for the second round on a qb....also the draft is kinda weak this year and all the top qbs are some kind of project or another.

That's just silly. He's probably faster than the good running QBs in the NFL, but he's not even in the same zip code of overall capability as a runner as Daniel's, Jackson, Hurts, mahomes, allen and a handful of other guys.

 

[graydogg85]

Milroe was only recruited because we missed on the guys we wanted, who were more pocket passers, and he was the best we could get to flip.

Simpson wasn't a running QB in HS. He was a passer who could escape the pocket when needed and was fast enough to get yards.

Lonergan was pretty much like Simpson

Saban was not shifting our philosophy toward a running QB style. He hired BOB and CTR, both are pro-style guys, not RPO running the QB guys.

Ty ran for 1,200 yards and 15 rushing TDs his senior year of high school.

Lonergan clocked about 700 rushing yards his senior year.

Those are more than “slips out of the pocket when needed” numbers IMO.

Agreed on BOB, he was always a pro-style guy. Not sure about Rees - lots of designed QB runs during his tenure at ND.

I may be wrong but it feels like we were gravitating towards that down the stretch under Saban, especially when he hired Rees and brought in Buchner, who was also a skilled runner

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Milroe was only recruited because we missed on the guys we wanted, who were more pocket passers, and he was the best we could get to flip.

Simpson wasn't a running QB in HS. He was a passer who could escape the pocket when needed and was fast enough to get yards.

Lonergan was pretty much like Simpson

Saban was not shifting our philosophy toward a running QB style. He hired BOB and CTR, both are pro-style guys, not RPO running the QB guys.

I wish that anyone who has doubts about Ty would take like 5 to 10 or even 20 minutes to watch some or all of his HS stuff.

Kid had a terrible O-Line and was running for his life and still throwing accurate passes at all levels of the field.

I feel like people think I'm exaggerating when I compare him to Manziel and Bryce wrt running ability.

Ty is crazy slippery and he's pretty much immune to getting rattled by pressure from constantly being under pressure.

By pressure I'm talking about Defensive pressure.

Pressure of the moment and situation is what we can't know yet but he seems like a gamer to me. The kind of guy who is better in games than practice.

But he gave the defense fits all spring, summer, and fall before the season started.

Throwing ability wise he won't wow people with a rocket arm but it's still 'Good' but more to point it's more consistently accurate because he has very good mechanics and a super quick release.

It's AJ McCarron level but with a faster release.

I'm not saying he's Bryce or Manziel or AJ... just that his abilities in certain areas match theirs potential wise.

Sometimes that raw talent translates to success and sometimes it doesn't but being that we've still never seen him play with 1st string guys after he's been getting 1st string practice reps then it's not fair for people to act like he's a bust and try to push KR into the role.

Bryce sat behind Mac for a year and everything turned out alright.

Like Mac... Ty has been patient and worked hard behind the scenes when could have easily hit the portal and started somewhere else.

He's deserves an opportunity.