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TerryP said:
I assume you are talking about Tulsa? (Kragthorpe -sp?-)
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Yes. Steve Kragthorpe. I think he'd be a solid hire. He has the resume and the record and he's at a school that will never consistently compete at the top level. If we offered him, I think he'd beat the ESPN camera crew to Tuscaloosa.

His OC is Charlie Stubbs, who ran one of the most productive offenses Alabama has ever had.
 
TerryP said:
Something that flies in the face of logic...

"We don't need an up and comer." Yet, Stoops wasn't a proven head coach when he was hired at OU.

Don't be short-sighted when you look at things revolving around this search.
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Translation:

They've screwed the pooch on this search by failing to get a big name AGAIN. So, we'll soften the blow by hinting that Spurrier was a smokescreen, Saban was a double smokescreen, CRR who seems to have had a change of heart due to harassment was our B-list smokescreen; and all us Bama fans are going to end up with is a bad case of lung cancer from all the smoke with a shot-in-the-dark coach to boot.

CRR would use Bama as a stepping stone. Someone who has already done it all has no reason to use us that way. Could CRR be successful? Sure. Maybe I could, too.

If we're going to give unqualified coaches a chance at Bama, we might as well swap roles with Auburn completely.
 
GulfCoastTider said:
Yes. Steve Kragthorpe. I think he'd be a solid hire. He has the resume and the record and he's at a school that will never consistently compete at the top level. If we offered him, I think he'd beat the ESPN camera crew to Tuscaloosa.

His OC is Charlie Stubbs, who ran one of the most productive offenses Alabama has ever had.
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interesting...i told my brother BEFORe they fired shula, that he should bring in Stubbs to be his OC.
 
uatuba06 said:
Translation:

They've screwed the pooch on this search by failing to get a big name AGAIN. So, we'll soften the blow by hinting that Spurrier was a smokescreen, Saban was a double smokescreen, CRR who seems to have had a change of heart due to harassment was our B-list smokescreen; and all us Bama fans are going to end up with is a bad case of lung cancer from all the smoke with a shot-in-the-dark coach to boot.

CRR would use Bama as a stepping stone. Someone who has already done it all has no reason to use us that way. Could CRR be successful? Sure. Maybe I could, too.

If we're going to give unqualified coaches a chance at Bama, we might as well swap roles with Auburn completely.
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Success at a smaller school is good enough for most reasonable people to conclude that some qualifications are there and that the coach is worth a look.

Reasonable people at Florida, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma and Georgia all hired people that your logic would rule out categorically. IMO, that's just plain stoopid.
 
GulfCoastTider said:
Success at a smaller school is good enough for most reasonable people to conclude that some qualifications are there and that the coach is worth a look.

Reasonable people at Florida, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma and Georgia all hired people that your logic would rule out categorically. IMO, that's just plain stoopid.
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I agree, if most people continue with this logic, I think there are going to be alot of dissappointed fans when this all said and done.

RTR
 
i have a feeling i'm going to be a little disappointed in how this turns out...with all the big time names that have been thrown around...and words like coup being used....my expectations have been pretty high, and i was getting excited....but now i'm afraid i'm going to be disappointed. :rolleye2:

we'll see....sometime soon i hope.....
 
uatuba06 said:
Translation:

They've screwed the pooch on this search by failing to get a big name AGAIN. So, we'll soften the blow by hinting that Spurrier was a smokescreen, Saban was a double smokescreen, CRR who seems to have had a change of heart due to harassment was our B-list smokescreen; and all us Bama fans are going to end up with is a bad case of lung cancer from all the smoke with a shot-in-the-dark coach to boot.

CRR would use Bama as a stepping stone. Someone who has already done it all has no reason to use us that way. Could CRR be successful? Sure. Maybe I could, too.

If we're going to give unqualified coaches a chance at Bama, we might as well swap roles with Auburn completely.
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You know, a lot of us Bama fans would love to swap on-field results with auburn for the last 5-6 years.

OU took a gamble on Stoops.
UF took a gamble on Meyer.
So. Cal took a gamble on Carrol
Heck, many years ago UF took a big gamble on an unproven coach named Steve Spurrier.

Bama's coaching search problems since Bear left have centered on the fact that they are always limiting the candidates, tying one hand behind their backs before ever starting. they should just look for the best available coach that fits Bama's needs. Sure it's not an exact science, but given Bama's history, fan base, facilities, etc. it should be easier for a coach to win here than at a smaller school. Limitations like "big name", "head coach", "national championship", "family ties", only paint Bama into a corner. I run my own engineering firm and I can tell you this is just a stupid way to hire a key employee - putting restrictions that eliminate many top candidates.

If an evalutaion of the Tulsa coach or the East Carolina coach or even a top assistant coach reveals that he would make an outstanding coach at Bama, then go after him without regard to the media and fan perception.

Of course this would require having semi-compotent people running the coaches search.:rolleyes:
 
GulfCoastTider said:
Success at a smaller school is good enough for most reasonable people to conclude that some qualifications are there and that the coach is worth a look.

Reasonable people at Florida, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma and Georgia all hired people that your logic would rule out categorically. IMO, that's just plain stoopid.
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We are not Florida, Ohio State, USC, Oklahoma, or Georgia. Furthermore, all of these schools hired someone who was being looked at by multiple search committees from multiple schools. The only other school possibly looking at Rodriguez is Miami.

Additionally, what happened to our coaching hire being a real "coup?" If ANYONE on here refers to the hire of CRR--who has practically said PLEASE HIRE ME until very recently--as a "coup," I must say they don't know what the word "coup" means. Paying a coach four times more than he is currently making and "convincing" him to take a position at a school with 100 times more prestige and tradition is anything but a "coup."
 
Why do you think the Mods/Adm are hesitant in giving out information, it's because when the use the word "coup" then it is used and they are tormented by it. It's used against them like they don't know what they are talking about, then you say "Give us some information", well he gave you a little and now you want to ssay "what coup" Well, I wouldn't give you any inside info either if you were going to turn it around on me like that -

It's been said before on here, things change, day by day, hour by hour, sometimes, minute by minute when you get close, and the deals are worked out - Think about it this way, for those who have ever sold a house, the deal is always up in the air until the closing, and you sweat it out until the closing is final. Sometimes things fall apart and a house closing doesn't happen for the most stupid reasons, well, the same can be said of coaching hires, IMHO.

RTR
Go to Shreveport, these kids deserve our support.
 
uatuba06 said:
Translation:

They've screwed the pooch on this search by failing to get a big name AGAIN. So, we'll soften the blow by hinting that Spurrier was a smokescreen, Saban was a double smokescreen, CRR who seems to have had a change of heart due to harassment was our B-list smokescreen; and all us Bama fans are going to end up with is a bad case of lung cancer from all the smoke with a shot-in-the-dark coach to boot.

CRR would use Bama as a stepping stone. Someone who has already done it all has no reason to use us that way. Could CRR be successful? Sure. Maybe I could, too.

If we're going to give unqualified coaches a chance at Bama, we might as well swap roles with Auburn completely.
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They have not srewed the pooch as you are calling it if they do not get a "big name". The three we are talking about here are Spurrier, Saban, and Stoops. If they inquired or offered, etc. and these three chose not to come that is not screwing up, that is just running into 3 people who would prefer to stay in the jobs they are in over the Bama job. Not a dang thing MM or anyone else can do about that. Our coach will come for only one of two reasons. 1. They are not happy in their current job for some particular reason. or 2. they see the Bama job as a promotion of sorts.
 
Andy said:
If they inquired or offered, etc. and these three chose not to come that is not screwing up, that is just running into 3 people who would prefer to stay in the jobs they are in over the Bama job. Not a dang thing MM or anyone else can do about that.
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Umm, let's see, how about--NOT FIRING SHULA WITHOUT A HUGE REPLACEMENT IN HAND. At the very least, they should have had a VERY strong feeling about a top-notch candidate's interest before letting him go. The fact that we have yet to speak with anyone publicly lets me know that they didn't have anything other than passing interest. I wanted Shula gone, but I can't say ANYTHING will be better than what we had. Replacing a Dubose with a Shula is a step up, but it's not a big enough step. If we don't make a big enough step, we'll get worse national perception and the image of instability will be preserved. Additionally, there will be that question lurking in the back of impatient Bama Fan's minds: "Can he really do it here?"

Mal Moore didn't say he wanted a "solid" coach. Any time that word is used, it means, "good, sometimes impressive, but not outstanding." Mal Moore basically called for a huge name in coaching, and his stated qualifications have been supported by his apparent search for those coaches--I'm having a heard time buying the triple smokescreen theory.

If it's not a coup, then I will be confirmed even further--unless omeone tries to argue that hiring RR, PJ, or *shudder* Grobe is somehow a coup, and I can't seriously believe ANYONE is that stupid.
 
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This is my .o2 cents worth(probably not worth that much) but I am concerned about some people that say if we don't get the biggest named coach in the world we have failed in this search. I may be wrong but I am not totally against getting a solid, young energetic, proven coach from a mid level school. Someone who wants to come in and win and prove himself at a higher level. I also believe that we need some consistancy, a coach that will be here for awhile, not someone that will come in for a few years and leave, what I am afraid of with any of the big names. We need to get out of this coaching carosel of changing coaches every few years.
Whoever the new coach is we ALL need to support him and our team to the fullest, as I know we will.
 
bama119 said:
I also believe that we need some consistancy, a coach that will be here for awhile, not someone that will come in for a few years and leave, what I am afraid of with any of the big names.
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Who is more likely to leave for someone bigger?

Coach A
-Coached in the NFL for a few years
-Won at least one NCAA National Championship for Div 1A
-Been HC at one or more big name schools
-Has a field, building, etc. on a major college campus named after him
-Older in age

OR

Coach B
-Coached and won NCAA National Championship(s) for Div 1AA
-Been AC at one or more big name schools
-Been HC at a small, forgotten school
-Younger in age

Hmm...Coach A who's done it all and has his name immortalized already, or Coach B who has never seen what the NFL has to offer.

Those small time coaches are the ones most likely to accept something bigger. Why accept something bigger if you've already been there, done that? (See Steve Spurrier).
 
Hire Bob Stoops Blog
I have not bought into any of these my source can beat up your source typep posts. However, I found this on another UA forum and it is quite intersting. I still take it FWIW, but it IS an intruiguing read. The blogger has done his homework and there are some very, very interesting coincidences, no to mention, a possibly revealing chain of events.

I think he may be on to something, key word is think and doing that has gotten me into trouble on more than one occasion!
 
That individual has a whole lot of time on their hands to be sure......IF his pipe dream comes true and Bob Stoops has bumped his gourd and leaves Oklahoma for Alabama, that person deserves some sort of job in the investigative journalism field. :biggrin:
 
You make a very good poin uatuba, and I have thought of that.But how many times have these big names coaches already jumped ship? What would stop them from winning a few years and wanting to go ellswhere and do the same thing at another school. I believe we would have a better chance of keeping a younger coach who turns this program around, back on the winning track and winning championships, not many coaching jobs bigger than tht.
 
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