Question: The WAY TOO EARLY (who will be the QUARTERBACK in 2023) thread

[mlh]

I think there was a reason we never saw much of TS that had nothing to do with his abilities.
If he had played in the A&M game, and lost, would that have hurt him mentally?
I know nothing about him; I don’t know what his psychological composition can or can’t handle. JM is, from his interviews, a team guy that doesn’t seem to be one to get down about a loss. I know nothing of TS in that regard.
But it seems obvious that Saban never had any intention of playing TS this year, and I just don’t think it was because of abilities; mop up duties mostly require giving the ball to someone else.
If (unlikely) JM was the “better” option, we should all be nervous; I just don’t think for a second that he was. And I don’t mean that as a diss to JM, cuz if he can greatly improve his passing accuracy the sky is the limit for him, IMO. Just got a lot of work to do.
I will say I have heard good things about Holstein. Spring will shed some light but I do seem to recall a QB winning the offensive MVP at A day and he didn’t start the following season. Gonna be fun to watch.

I think CNS was trying to preserve Tyson's redshirt this year. I believe he felt we could win with Milroe at QB while Bryce was out, and that proved to be the case, although it wasn't pretty. But we made it through the season, preserving an extra year of eligibility for Simpson.

Now, let the competition for QB1 begin in earnest. Both will get their shot and it will be evident by the time we tee it up to start the 2023 season who the starting QB should be.

 

[BamaMoon]

I think there was a reason we never saw much of TS that had nothing to do with his abilities.
If he had played in the A&M game, and lost, would that have hurt him mentally?
I know nothing about him; I don’t know what his psychological composition can or can’t handle. JM is, from his interviews, a team guy that doesn’t seem to be one to get down about a loss. I know nothing of TS in that regard.
But it seems obvious that Saban never had any intention of playing TS this year, and I just don’t think it was because of abilities; mop up duties mostly require giving the ball to someone else.
If (unlikely) JM was the “better” option, we should all be nervous; I just don’t think for a second that he was. And I don’t mean that as a diss to JM, cuz if he can greatly improve his passing accuracy the sky is the limit for him, IMO. Just got a lot of work to do.
I will say I have heard good things about Holstein. Spring will shed some light but I do seem to recall a QB winning the offensive MVP at A day and he didn’t start the following season. Gonna be fun to watch.

I think CNS was trying to preserve Tyson's redshirt this year. I believe he felt we could win with Milroe at QB while Bryce was out, and that proved to be the case, although it wasn't pretty. But we made it through the season, preserving an extra year of eligibility for Simpson.

Now, let the competition for QB1 begin in earnest. Both will get their shot and it will be evident by the time we tee it up to start the 2023 season who the starting QB should be.

I think it can be explained by simply saying CNS is very loyal to the QB depth chart and it doesn't necessarily reflect future starters.

As for TS's redshirt, this could have been a factor in the A$M game, but I think it was more about thinking we could be vanilla with JM and it almost bit us. If TS is as good as we hope I'm not sure his redshirt will ever be needed.

 

[bamaslammer]

My concern is Saban history of letting a qb battle linger into the season. That always results in an unnecessary loss

 

[B1GTide]

My concern is Saban history of letting a qb battle linger into the season. That always results in an unnecessary loss

He didn't with Hurts, so we can hope

 

[bamacon]

He didn't with Hurts, so we can hope

OC really matters. Sark and Kiffin could take the QB’s strengths and make the offense work. BoB would have been tragic with JH. Hopefully the next one will be a return to better creativity and flow to the offense.

 

[UAH]

Watched a QB review on Bama Insider yesterday. It featured extensive footage of TS and JM throwing the football. Again IMO Milroe is years away from being prepared to play QB at a competitive
level in the SEC. It is difficult to see where his development would come from within the current coaching structure.

 

[mlh]

Watched a QB review on Bama Insider yesterday. It featured extensive footage of TS and JM throwing the football. Again IMO Milroe is years away from being prepared to play QB at a competitive
level in the SEC. It is difficult to see where his development would come from within the current coaching structure.

How did TS look?

 

[CoolBreeze]

How did TS look?

Less bad hopefully.

 

[UAH]

How did TS look?

There wasn't much more than him doing some short throws so I went back and looked at his throwing session with BOB during his recruitment. There are many people who could rate him overall as a QB who have a lot more experience than me. He was rated the number 3 QB in the country out of high school behind Klubnik - Clemson and Weigman - Texas AM. He has an impressive arm and good ability to move in the pocket and throw on the run. Comparing to Jaden Daniels at LSU, who is obviously older and more experienced, I would doubt that Simpson would develop that type of athleticism but could come close. IMO Simpson has to mature and be No. 1 at Alabama but there will be growing pains.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

There wasn't much more than him doing some short throws so I went back and looked at his throwing session with BOB during his recruitment. There are many people who could rate him overall as a QB who have a lot more experience than me. He was rated the number 3 QB in the country out of high school behind Klubnik - Clemson and Weigman - Texas AM. He has an impressive arm and good ability to move in the pocket and throw on the run. Comparing to Jaden Daniels at LSU, who is obviously older and more experienced, I would doubt that Simpson would develop that type of athleticism but could come close. IMO Simpson has to mature and be No. 1 at Alabama but there will be growing pains.

Just from watching Simpson's junior HS recruiting videos, one thing that stood out to me that he would need to improve on is how quick he was to bail out of the pocket, rather than stepping up into the pocket. He bailed the pocket waaaay too early in several plays I saw that all he had to do was simply step and would have bought him more time. But when you're that athletic I'm sure the easiest thing is to revert to your natural skills. He is very mobile btw.

 

[Padreruf]

Just from watching Simpson's junior HS recruiting videos, one thing that stood out to me that he would need to improve on is how quick he was to bail out of the pocket, rather than stepping up into the pocket. He bailed the pocket waaaay too early in several plays I saw that all he had to do was simply step and would have bought him more time. But when you're that athletic I'm sure the easiest thing is to revert to your natural skills. He is very mobile btw.

If you remember his performance in A Day last year...he was quick to run when the pocket shrunk...a lot of the time our LB's were nowhere to be found and this worked well. Not so sure it's a good long term tactic.

 

[seebell]

Just from watching Simpson's junior HS recruiting videos, one thing that stood out to me that he would need to improve on is how quick he was to bail out of the pocket, rather than stepping up into the pocket. He bailed the pocket waaaay too early in several plays I saw that all he had to do was simply step and would have bought him more time. But when you're that athletic I'm sure the easiest thing is to revert to your natural skills. He is very mobile btw.

I agree. He reminded me of Bo Nix. Bailed out way too soon and retreated backwards for many yards. He had the talent edge in high school to do that. Won't work in college

 

[UAH]

Just from watching Simpson's junior HS recruiting videos, one thing that stood out to me that he would need to improve on is how quick he was to bail out of the pocket, rather than stepping up into the pocket. He bailed the pocket waaaay too early in several plays I saw that all he had to do was simply step and would have bought him more time. But when you're that athletic I'm sure the easiest thing is to revert to your natural skills. He is very mobile btw.

Just from watching Simpson's junior HS recruiting videos, one thing that stood out to me that he would need to improve on is how quick he was to bail out of the pocket, rather than stepping up into the pocket. He bailed the pocket waaaay too early in several plays I saw that all he had to do was simply step and would have bought him more time. But when you're that athletic I'm sure the easiest thing is to revert to your natural skills. He is very mobile btw.

I agree that he would likely get run down for a big loss in the SEC. He will have to step up and get the pass off. He was mobile in high school but there is a lot of speed in the QB position in the SEC so it will be interesting to see where he stacks up.

 

[UAH]

Sadly everything I’ve seen so far leads me to that conclusion as well. He just doesn’t pass the test as a passer. I hope he does develop and proves me wrong because a good passer with his physical ability would be a nightmare.

I understand but look at Jayden Daniels highlights at LSU and see if you believe JM can get there this year or next. That is a lot to expect from him IMO.

 

[CoachJeff]

I understand but look at Jayden Daniels highlights at LSU and see if you believe JM can get there this year or next. That is a lot to expect from him IMO.

Jayden Daniels was pretty good as a freshman at ASU. 4th year as a college QB at LSU? 2900 yards, 17 TDs, 3 INTs. 1st year as a college QB at Arizona State? 2900 yards, 17 TDs, 2 INTs.

That said, I expect Bama's QBs to be better than Jayden Daniels. Daniels would be the worst QB to play significant time at Alabama in over a decade.

 

[Tenntiderman]

I think the simple view is Simpson most likely gives us the better chance of beating Georgia. Gotta throw to beat them...and dethroning Georgia is our ultimate goal now.

UNLESS........you live in Tennessee.

 

[Tenntiderman]

I disagree - players should recognize how tenuous a starting position is; an injury is always lurking. be prepared for your time. plus, it’s amazing how many players don't find greener pastures. maybe the portal will adjust and fix itself.

They should...I agree. But they don't have to and therefore probably will not. Right as you are..they whom are not patient are gone.

 

[Tenntiderman]

I honestly have no idea. Hopefully A Day will provide some insight. I'm not really aware how good the 2 new guys are and we've seen so little of Simpson.

Milroe seems like a long shot to me right now but I could be way off. His speed is just unique and if he can become a semi decent passer then he could be really good. Hopefully he goes to a QB guru over the summer or something.

I think Jalen is a great kid with a confidence issue. He has a really smooth release on the ball. Natural throwing motion. But he seemed to lose self confidence in his abilities or so it looked to me. He looks great on video..but there is no pass rush in a practice video. Looks entirely different in an SEC game. Not dogging that kid at all. Just saying the boy needs a Coach. And time.

 

[Tenntiderman]

Struggles through his reads as well and just looks, uncomfortable, hesitant, overly anxious almost.
Just not fluid and cerebral.

Did the guys get BOB'd??

 

[BamaInBham]

Did the guys get BOB'd??

By all accounts O'Brien is a very good QB coach. He worked miracles with McGloin at PSU (I would not have wanted him on my HS or intramural team and BOB turned him into an NFL clipboard holder and playing backup for few years). Brady and Watson and Bryce Young have all given him high praise for their development as a QB. He won an NFL Divisional title with Hoyer and another with Brock Osweiler/Tom Savage (though defense was their calling card), then 2 with Watson in his 2nd and 3rd years.

IMO, B'OB's insistence, obviously with CNS's blessing, on incorporating sophisticated (for college WRs especially) NFL option routes was a factor in Saban hiring him, especially because of recruiting, but ultimately a source of failure for his tenure at Alabama. For success, college receivers, who don't have nearly the time that NFL WRs do, had to be able to read the coverage correctly. This concept of Bama WRs winning individual matches with opposing DBs makes a lot of sense with Bama's recent great talent at WR but it also required a lot of practice and the mental ability to make it happen. And even if the targeted WR read things correctly, if another did not, you could end up with 2 receivers in the same area. This NFL approach helped to develop Bryce, which helps in recruiting, and is almost impossible to stop if read correctly by all, but was an overall hindrance to the offense because of frequent misreads by the WR(s) and/or QB. But you can see the appeal of O'Brien to Saban. Justin Sayin the highly regarded recruit mentioned Bama's NFL approach twice in a 3 or 4 sentence interview. And he liked O'Brien very much as did Simpson.