Thoughts on QB situation after Game 5?

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I wonder if Milroe is able to rollout effectively for run/pass option. If so it could add a new wrinkle on offense.
So, the problem with that is that he seems to have no peripheral vision. This is why when he scrambles to the right he looks slow because he's having to totally focus on the defense instead of looking downfield while seeing the defense in his peripheral vision. This ability is probably just a natural thing for most good QBs but it's not something he's good at. At least at this point.

I think this is why he is so good at north/south running because he only sees what is right in front of him.

The best thing we can do with JM is put him in the pistol and do a straight drop back. Ask him to make 1 read and if it's not there he needs to go straight up field.
 
He made most every throw asked in the ucf game
I don't understand this kind of revisionist take against a team that was one of the worst Alabama will play all year.

Simpson played basically half of the game, right?

He attempted 9 passes which accounted for 73 yards. He "ran" the ball 9 times (5 sacks) for a total of -12 yards. It was USF by the way...

You double that and you have 18 passing attempts for 146 yards and 18 rushing attempts for -24 yards rushing against weak competition. That's 36 plays, 123 yards.

Against a better Miss. State team here's what Milroe did. 12 passing attempts for 194 yards, 11 rushes for 69 yards.

So, 33 plays for 264 yards. Now I'm no math expert, but I think 264 is better than 123 and I'm pretty sure Miss. State is better than South Florida, but there's also the fact that Alabama beat Miss. State by a wider margin.

Yet, the conclusion I'm supposed to reach because yards and points and things like that don't matter is that Simpson is the solution. Got it...

And yeah I know that the idea is that Simpson can make some throws that Milroe can't make, and I won't even argue that point. I will remind people that I had to listen to a lot of the same stuff when Phillip Ely was supposed to be a far better QB and passer than Blake Sims. There were pages and pages of people bashing Blake... and pages and pages of people being wrong for the record.

I'd at least wait until Simpson actually plays well to decide he's the man.
 
So, the problem with that is that he seems to have no peripheral vision. This is why when he scrambles to the right he looks slow because he's having to totally focus on the defense instead of looking downfield while seeing the defense in his peripheral vision. This ability is probably just a natural thing for most good QBs but it's not something he's good at. At least at this point.

I think this is why he is so good at north/south running because he only sees what is right in front of him.

The best thing we can do with JM is put him in the pistol and do a straight drop back. Ask him to make 1 read and if it's not there he needs to go straight up field.

That’s what’s so discouraging for me though I will add that Jalen does hit a 2nd read from time to time but usually on a semi busted play.

Even at that though…I mean why are we resorting to this?

It’s service academy rugby ball.

I feel like with similar experience Ty could make 2-3 reads consistently and take of running himself if needed.

No it wouldn’t be an 80 yard sprint but he has wheels too.

A Boom or Bust offense is going to get us a 2nd loss eventually.

I really don’t care about the Citrus Bowl or worse.

I wanna be in the dang CFBP.
 
Yep, the TE Seam to Dippre. That's touch that Milroe doesn't have. Milroe's footwork is atrocious, he'll never make those throws with those mechanics, not consistently anyway. He may flick one that looks good here and there, but he looks like he's throwing off his back foot all the time, even with time to throw.

TAM has the defensive talent to make Milroe very, very uncomfortable. They will make him read and we know good and well what happens when a good defense makes Milroe read the D. The moment Milroe reads a blitz and throws to a hot route, I'll come on here and admit he's grown some. Or if he hits a slant cleanly.

A&M will be a nightmare for Milroe simply because he can't read what's coming and adjust. That's not changing in another week.
The mechanics issue is perplexing for sure. During the MSU game, Gilmore said something to the effect of “Milroe doesn’t have good mechanics, but he doesn’t need them.” Seriously, THAT is your glowing endorsement of this guy? How many excuses and 2nd chances is he gonna get? How can people be so blind?
 
Let's take the personalities out of it to make a point.

QB #1: QB recruit who's dual-threat; but he's obviously a long term project whose greatest talent is God-given - he fast! On the HS level he can make plays with his arm, but he's a run-first kind of guy.

QB #2: QB recruit who is also dual threat but is clearly more proficient throwing the ball. Not a bad runner, but he's a throw-first kind of guy.

Guy that recruited both guys hires a different OC every few years because they usually cash in the 2-3 years stints at Bama for a HC job somewhere else. But he always says who ever I hire will run the "Bama offense."

OK, surely he tells the recruits that too. What are you expected to learn to do as you sit behind Mac Jones, a throw first QB and BY, a throw first QB??? You are expected to learn how to run the "Bama offense, throw first offense" right?

So, maybe this is why one QB is being doubted even though he apparently "won the team" and people. It's confusing why we would have even recruited a run-first guy, but even more mysterious why he's not become a "Bama-throw-first" guy after so long in the program.

Recruit #2, while young and raw fits what we've been doing in the Bama offense for 3 straight QB cycles. All three of those guys won, won often and are starting in the NFL now.

But we suddenly want to go back to the drama of 2017, train a run-first guy on the job (square peg in round hole) and not run the "Bama offense" and try to win games by a FG???
 
The mechanics issue is perplexing for sure. During the MSU game, Gilmore said something to the effect of “Milroe doesn’t have good mechanics, but he doesn’t need them.” Seriously, THAT is your glowing endorsement of this guy? How many excuses and 2nd chances is he gonna get? How can people be so blind?

Because he reminds Gilmore of Michael Vick, he can just flick the ball with ease, he doesn't need mechanics at all. Bad mechanics means bad accuracy. Milroe doesn't just have bad mechanics though, he has bad field vision with an inability to read a defense.

Then they have RG3 come on in some recorded video explaining how Milroe can be good.

The whole thing is absolutely ridiculous, but hey, according to most....we apparently have no alternative. I'll continue to argue Milroe is not a QB and Simpson should have been given the offense.
 
I feel like with similar experience Ty could make 2-3 reads consistently and take of running himself if needed.
The problem with feelings is that they are not necessarily based on fact.

In this case, who cares the guy had 14 chances to pass in a game and only had 61 yards to show for it (basically, the 5 sacks actually resulted in more lost yards but I'm deducting the positive rushing yards because I'm feeling generous). Because he's mechanically sound we "feel" he'd do better if he kept getting a chance.

Well here's something I know. If he played like that against any good team, Alabama is in trouble. No, 14 passing plays and 61 yards is not good. It's bad. That's fact, not feeling.
 
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I don't understand this kind of revisionist take against a team that was one of the worst Alabama will play all year.

Simpson played basically half of the game, right?

He attempted 9 passes which accounted for 73 yards. He "ran" the ball 9 times (5 sacks) for a total of -12 yards. It was USF by the way...

You double that and you have 18 passing attempts for 146 yards and 18 rushing attempts for -24 yards rushing against weak competition. That's 36 plays, 123 yards.

Against a better Miss. State team here's what Milroe did. 12 passing attempts for 194 yards, 11 rushes for 69 yards.

So, 33 plays for 264 yards. Now I'm no math expert, but I think 264 is better than 123 and I'm pretty sure Miss. State is better than South Florida, but there's also the fact that Alabama beat Miss. State by a wider margin.

Yet, the conclusion I'm supposed to reach because yards and points and things like that don't matter is that Simpson is the solution. Got it...

And yeah I know that the idea is that Simpson can make some throws that Milroe can't make, and I won't even argue that point. I will remind people that I had to listen to a lot of the same stuff when Phillip Ely was supposed to be a far better QB and passer than Blake Sims. There were pages and pages of people bashing Blake... and pages and pages of people being wrong for the record.

I'd at least wait until Simpson actually plays well to decide he's the man.
I thought Coker sat behind Simms?
 
The problem with feelings is that they are not necessarily based on fact.

In this case, who cares the guy had 14 chances to pass in a game and only had 61 yards to show for it (basically, the 5 sacks actually resulted in more lost yards but I'm deducting the positive rushing yards because I'm feeling generous). Because he's mechanically sound we "feel" he'd do better if he kept getting a chance.

Well here's something I know. If he played like that against any good team, Alabama is in trouble. No, 14 passing plays and 61 yards is not good. It's bad. That's fact, not feeling.

Maybe go back and watch again.

I ‘feel’ based on what I saw.

The OL was letting undersized players blow right by with barely a hand laid and Ty could barely get set before they were all over him.

He was getting murdered.

He didn’t fumble, He didn’t throw HORRIFIC INT’s, He didn’t scramble around eating deep sacks.

He didn’t panic. He showed toughness and grit.

He Tried going through progressions and when he actually had time to get passes off he made some Beautiful throws that were Perfect in accuracy.

It’s like no one that brings up these sacks remembers how badly blocks were being blown.

It’s was Chris Capps level stuff… but worse because it looked like it was on purpose at worst or indifferently attempted at best.

Kid was taking a damn beating back there.
 
I don't understand this kind of revisionist take against a team that was one of the worst Alabama will play all year.

Simpson played basically half of the game, right?

He attempted 9 passes which accounted for 73 yards. He "ran" the ball 9 times (5 sacks) for a total of -12 yards. It was USF by the way...

You double that and you have 18 passing attempts for 146 yards and 18 rushing attempts for -24 yards rushing against weak competition. That's 36 plays, 123 yards.

Against a better Miss. State team here's what Milroe did. 12 passing attempts for 194 yards, 11 rushes for 69 yards.

So, 33 plays for 264 yards. Now I'm no math expert, but I think 264 is better than 123 and I'm pretty sure Miss. State is better than South Florida, but there's also the fact that Alabama beat Miss. State by a wider margin.

Yet, the conclusion I'm supposed to reach because yards and points and things like that don't matter is that Simpson is the solution. Got it...

And yeah I know that the idea is that Simpson can make some throws that Milroe can't make, and I won't even argue that point. I will remind people that I had to listen to a lot of the same stuff when Phillip Ely was supposed to be a far better QB and passer than Blake Sims. There were pages and pages of people bashing Blake... and pages and pages of people being wrong for the record.

I'd at least wait until Simpson actually plays well to decide he's the man.
I think you are focused on the "results" and not the "process." We kinda know that terminology right?

And can you with a straight face say Ty Simpson was given a "fair shot" and playing the second half of the USF game??? Surely you recognize when there's effort and when there's not. He's lucky he didn't get his back broken on some of those sacks you list as "rushing" opportunities.

It's like the team/CNS has chosen the guy who might could give a short term results (scramble and run 75 yards or throw a bomb) but who struggles on most of the other stuff a QB is supposed to do that actually wins games INSTEAD of the guy that seems to have the skills that fit the bigger picture and actual playbook we call "The Bama offense."

I agree with someone else who said if Simpson was given the job day 1 we might have still lost the Texas game but now after 5 games the offense might be finding itself.

But this thread is about where things stand right now after 5 games and NOBODY with a football brain can look at this offense and see vast improvement in the QB play...the kind of improvement needed to win at the highest level.
 
I don't understand this kind of revisionist take against a team that was one of the worst Alabama will play all year.

Simpson played basically half of the game, right?

He attempted 9 passes which accounted for 73 yards. He "ran" the ball 9 times (5 sacks) for a total of -12 yards. It was USF by the way...

You double that and you have 18 passing attempts for 146 yards and 18 rushing attempts for -24 yards rushing against weak competition. That's 36 plays, 123 yards.

Against a better Miss. State team here's what Milroe did. 12 passing attempts for 194 yards, 11 rushes for 69 yards.

So, 33 plays for 264 yards. Now I'm no math expert, but I think 264 is better than 123 and I'm pretty sure Miss. State is better than South Florida, but there's also the fact that Alabama beat Miss. State by a wider margin.

Yet, the conclusion I'm supposed to reach because yards and points and things like that don't matter is that Simpson is the solution. Got it...

And yeah I know that the idea is that Simpson can make some throws that Milroe can't make, and I won't even argue that point. I will remind people that I had to listen to a lot of the same stuff when Phillip Ely was supposed to be a far better QB and passer than Blake Sims. There were pages and pages of people bashing Blake... and pages and pages of people being wrong for the record.

I'd at least wait until Simpson actually plays well to decide he's the man.

you keep missing the point though. Milroe has had all starter reps in practice for every game he started. And he actually started games btw unlike Simpson, he had the most starter reps by far also.That USF game was bad weather, mid game delay and the performance of the olineand he still made far better throws than milroe ever has excluding deep balls. And I would bet USF would beat state or it’s even.

only a couple people argue Simpson should be the starter or is better. But I think most of us think he should have been given a fair shot especially after milroe has had the 3 worst picks I’ve seen a bama qb throw. Plus lots of other ugly throws and sacks/running out of bounds/ just not making a decision costing a play.

I think most also agree at this point we are stuck with Milroe and hope for the best.

you’re using apples and orangesto help Milroe seem better.
 
Maybe go back and watch again.

I ‘feel’ based on what I saw.

The OL was letting undersized players blow right by with barely a hand laid and Ty could barely get set before they were all over him.

He was getting murdered.

He didn’t fumble, He didn’t throw HORRIFIC INT’s, He didn’t scramble around eating deep sacks.

He didn’t panic. He showed toughness and grit.

He Tried going through progressions and when he actually had time to get passes off he made some Beautiful throws that were Perfect in accuracy.

It’s like no one that brings up these sacks remembers how badly blocks were being blown.

It’s was Chris Capps level stuff… but worse because it looked like it was on purpose at worst or indifferently attempted at best.

Kid was taking a damn beating back there.
If this got said 1000 times it wouldn't be enough. Acting like Simpson got his "chance" against USF is crazy.

That team laid down that day and it was one of the ugliest things I've ever seen out of any team that has worn Crimson.
 
Maybe go back and watch again.

I ‘feel’ based on what I saw.

The OL was letting undersized players blow right by with barely a hand laid and Ty could barely get set before they were all over him.

He was getting murdered.

He didn’t fumble, He didn’t throw HORRIFIC INT’s, He didn’t scramble around eating deep sacks.

He didn’t panic. He showed toughness and grit.

He Tried going through progressions and when he actually had time to get passes off he made some Beautiful throws that were Perfect in accuracy.

It’s like no one that brings up these sacks remembers how badly blocks were being blown.

It’s was Chris Capps level stuff… but worse because it looked like it was on purpose at worst or indifferently attempted at best.

Kid was taking a damn beating back there.
Not to mention bad weather. He actually took the team down the field once getting more reps/comfortable. The No picks part it seems like people are ignoring because Milroe under pressure like that has been a disaster. Or heck Milroe with all day have a couple horrific picks
 
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In our first game, IIRC, Jordon Rodgers broke down JM's footwork and he attributes almost every one of his faults to that and timing of the QB dropback.
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Good quote. We already know about the accuracy/decision issues, but te part about making everyone around you better is part of the issue. The offense, after 5 games, is just as hit and miss as it was against after the aberration that was MTSU. We got a lot of false positives and grins and giggles from that performance, but some of the problems showed up even in that game.

Against MSU, a terrible passing defense, we don't have the confidence to let JM pass the ball until the 2nd quarter? This was a game to "get better" and we would have been tied 17-17 if not for the MSU QB throwing to the wrong color jersey in the 1st half. And then in the second half we had to settle for FGs and couldn't finish drives??? This is against MSU, which isn't a good team.

Those who want to whistle past the graveyard regarding the woes of the offense are welcome to do it, but until things improve, I can't do it.
I can understand some here but, come on man, you're better than this.

And you don't know the motives behind the relatively few number of passing attempts. I seriously doubt it was because of fear. Ironically,. with "Radar Milroe" we need to compare the number of completions because he hits almost all of his attempts.

Discounting the first 2 drives, like the 2nd half vs OM, the Alabama offense began to look like a good, efficient and legitimate SEC offense: the QB handing off to decent runners or running himself or dropping back to scan the field to hit mostly intermediate passes. Jalen Milroe led Alabama on 6 scoring drives in his next 7 possessions, 3 TDs and 3 FGs. Then he left the game. He had 2 sacks, one in which he was was plowed under by a good pass rush, the other, the only time in which he drifted to the right and ran OOB with a loss. He connected on 7 intermediate passes for explosive plays and 3 short passes or dump offs. His accuracy is very good: he was 10-12 164 yards, elite 13.7 ypa. He made good quick decisions for the most part on his 3 or 4 very effective runs.

His improvement has been startling. Against 2 SEC defenses the last 2 weeks, he is 27-33 82%, 389 yds, 11.8 ypa, 1 int. Can't ask for much more. He may crumble at some point, but at this point he is looking better and better each week to where vs MSU, he looked like an SEC QB. He has greatly reduced the number of times he engages in his maddening practice of rolling OOB short of the LOS or unnecessarily taking a sack.

Some Alabama fans seem so invested in his failure that they refuse to see what any objective observer can't help but notice and any Bama fan can't help but be encouraged by - that is very definite and remarkable improvement. Each week, often each half. The stakes are rising, the environments are becoming more hostile, and he might collapse at some point, however unlikely, but he is playing well and most importantly, better and better. Most Bama fans are pulling for him. That doesn't mean they can't see room for improvement but they can definitely see and point out the good encouraging signs.

Rewatch the game and focus on the good, forgetting the first 2 drives, as well as his overall weaknesses, for just a moment. You might be impressed and encouraged.
 
I thought Coker sat behind Simms?
Coker transferred in, Ely was behind him on the depth chart initially.
Kid was taking a damn beating back there.
Milroe has faced a lot of pressure as well, that's a big reason for instance why he didn't throw as many passes last game. There were pass plays, he just didn't have time to pass. Yet, somehow that's held against him while you're making excuses for someone else when it happens.

Guess what? It's still the same offensive line.
But I think most of us think he should have been given a fair shot. If he got a shot against Ole Miss and played like that then Alabama would have two losses...
I was all for him getting a shot, he got a shot. He did not do well. If he got another shot against Ole Miss and played like that, Alabama would have two losses instead of one.
And can you with a straight face say Ty Simpson was given a "fair shot" and playing the second half of the USF game??? Surely you recognize when there's effort and when there's not. He's lucky he didn't get his back broken on some of those sacks you list as "rushing" opportunities.
Yeah he was given a fair shot with the same offensive line that has had Milroe running for his life to. Do you think they gave him a different offensive line or something?

Some people are talking like this is Hurts vs. Tua but it isn't. It's Hurts vs Barnett. Barnett by the way was a better passer that year, and he like someone else I know had been on campus for two years, but Alabama played better with Hurts in and the fact is Hurts despite his flaws still gave Alabama a better chance to win.

The only way I can really rationalize some opinion's being expressed here is if people have convinced themselves Simpson played with a different offensive line. Then things start to make more sense, otherwise the results speak for themselves. When you (speaking generally) applaud ONE SINGLE DRIVE by a quarterback as a sign that he's the guy, and ignore the fact that the team played far better with other guy, it's just a fantasy world at that point.
 
Coker transferred in, Ely was behind him on the depth chart initially.

Milroe has faced a lot of pressure as well, that's a big reason for instance why he didn't throw as many passes last game. There were pass plays, he just didn't have time to pass. Yet, somehow that's held against him while you're making excuses for someone else when it happens.

Guess what? It's still the same offensive line.

I was all for him getting a shot, he got a shot. He did not do well. If he got another shot against Ole Miss and played like that, Alabama would have two losses instead of one.

Yeah he was given a fair shot with the same offensive line that has had Milroe running for his life to. Do you think they gave him a different offensive line or something?

Some people are talking like this is Hurts vs. Tua but it isn't. It's Hurts vs Barnett. Barnett by the way was a better passer that year, and he like someone else I know had been on campus for two years, but Alabama played better with Hurts in and the fact is Hurts despite his flaws still gave Alabama a better chance to win.

The only way I can really rationalize some opinion's being expressed here is if people have convinced themselves Simpson played with a different offensive line. Then things start to make more sense, otherwise the results speak for themselves. When you (speaking generally) applaud ONE SINGLE DRIVE by a quarterback as a sign that he's the guy, and ignore the fact that the team played far better with other guy, it's just a fantasy world at that point.

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Coker transferred in, Ely was behind him on the depth chart initially.

Milroe has faced a lot of pressure as well, that's a big reason for instance why he didn't throw as many passes last game. There were pass plays, he just didn't have time to pass. Yet, somehow that's held against him while you're making excuses for someone else when it happens.

Guess what? It's still the same offensive line.

I was all for him getting a shot, he got a shot. He did not do well. If he got another shot against Ole Miss and played like that, Alabama would have two losses instead of one.

Yeah he was given a fair shot with the same offensive line that has had Milroe running for his life to. Do you think they gave him a different offensive line or something?

Some people are talking like this is Hurts vs. Tua but it isn't. It's Hurts vs Barnett. Barnett by the way was a better passer that year, and he like someone else I know had been on campus for two years, but Alabama played better with Hurts in and the fact is Hurts despite his flaws still gave Alabama a better chance to win.

The only way I can really rationalize some opinion's being expressed here is if people have convinced themselves Simpson played with a different offensive line. Then things start to make more sense, otherwise the results speak for themselves. When you (speaking generally) applaud ONE SINGLE DRIVE by a quarterback as a sign that he's the guy, and ignore the fact that the team played far better with other guy, it's just a fantasy world at that point.

Aside from living in a world of pure imagination apparently.....Simpson should have been the guy. No, he didn't get "a shot" in the USF game, he got put out there with an OL give what appeared to be half effort. He did, however, seem to get the team to respond in the 4th and did lead them to 2 TD's. He also made throws Milroe isn't going to make.

The offense would be farther along if Simpson had been given the keys. Now, we are stuck running what we've got. Milroe had time on those two sacks vs MSU, he held it. He will not throw the ball away.

As the Unofficial Coach video said......we are running with a QB at a 4th grade reading level, when we could have been running with a QB at a 10th grade reading level.
 
Agree and I don’t think most of us expect to throw it 40-50 times a week but there has to be some balance and a threat of an efficient and effective passing attack that can move the chains when needed.

You also can’t just live and die by the Deep Ball. Gotta have a Medium and short Passing attack that works as well too.
I don’t even know that the deep ball is really that good. Milroe throws over the wrong shoulder of the WR a lot. We aren’t making deep throws where the WR is streaking down the field, catches the ball in stride, and scores. A lot of them are jump balls that the WRs and TEs are having to climb a ladder to grab (and they have), and the play ends where they caught it.
 
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