Trump Policies, Part the VIII

[selmaborntidefan]

Trump signs order aimed at ending cashless bail, flag burning - The Washington Post

President Donald Trump moved on two issues important to his conservative base Monday, signing executive orders aimed at ending cashless bail across the country and pushing courts to reconsider the legality of burning the American flag.

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Trump’s order on flag burning directs his administration to prosecute people who “desecrate” the American flag and to detain and remove immigrants who have been accused of such behavior.


The Supreme Court in 1989 in a 5-4 ruling found that burning the U.S. flag is protected by the First Amendment, but Trump in the executive order asked Bondi to find a case that could challenge that ruling. The majority of the justices now are significantly more conservative than the court was then.
A White House official cited images of flag burning “alongside violent acts” from recent protests as a justification for the order. Trump, a president particularly attuned to imagery, took great issue with pictures of demonstrators in Los Angeles waving Mexican flags and burning the American flag amid protests against U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement action this summer.


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Damn, I'm old enough to remember when some conservative dude named Scalia wrote in favor of allowing this.

And guess what?

When - for real - is the last time you even saw someone burning an American flag? Be honest. When?

You're gonna see it now, though, just to prove the point it can be done.

 

[75thru79]

Trump signs order aimed at ending cashless bail, flag burning - The Washington Post

President Donald Trump moved on two issues important to his conservative base Monday, signing executive orders aimed at ending cashless bail across the country and pushing courts to reconsider the legality of burning the American flag.

Neither of these actions will hold up in court. What a waste of time and energy. I don't like either of these but the president doesn't have the power to change it directly.

 

[selmaborntidefan]

Neither of these actions will hold up in court. What a waste of time and energy. I don't like either of these but the president doesn't have the power to change it directly.

And there is NOTHING AT ALL "conservative" about "it's illegal to burn the flag."

I'd take his faux patriotism a lot more seriously if he had, you know, been shot down in Vietnam like the war hero he disparaged. Then again...he wouldn't have taken this action, either, if he'd been a guest of honor at the Hanoi Hilton.

 

[some_al_fan]

I’ve found a guy who has desecrated the flag:

 

[Huckleberry]

For non-violent crimes, I can see allowing cashless bail depending on one's record, but the violent ones need to be kept the hell out of public.

This is absolutely a reasonable position. Has Trump made that distinction?

And if being accused of a violent crime is going to keep poor people in jail, there should be no bail for the rich accused of the same offenses.

 

[92tide]

Trump signs order aimed at ending cashless bail, flag burning - The Washington Post

President Donald Trump moved on two issues important to his conservative base Monday, signing executive orders aimed at ending cashless bail across the country and pushing courts to reconsider the legality of burning the American flag.

......

Trump’s order on flag burning directs his administration to prosecute people who “desecrate” the American flag and to detain and remove immigrants who have been accused of such behavior.


The Supreme Court in 1989 in a 5-4 ruling found that burning the U.S. flag is protected by the First Amendment, but Trump in the executive order asked Bondi to find a case that could challenge that ruling. The majority of the justices now are significantly more conservative than the court was then.
A White House official cited images of flag burning “alongside violent acts” from recent protests as a justification for the order. Trump, a president particularly attuned to imagery, took great issue with pictures of demonstrators in Los Angeles waving Mexican flags and burning the American flag amid protests against U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement action this summer.


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Damn, I'm old enough to remember when some conservative dude named Scalia wrote in favor of allowing this.

And guess what?

When - for real - is the last time you even saw someone burning an American flag? Be honest. When?

You're gonna see it now, though, just to prove the point it can be done.

i can imagine folks burning their own flags on their own property

 

[Huckleberry]

Here we go...

Prosecuting Burning of The American Flag

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose.

www.whitehouse.gov

Do you suppose that molesting the flag would be considered desecration?

Anything to distract people from the outrageously high price of beef, the Epstein list, and the absolute failure regarding Ukraine. His sycophantic pseudo-patriotic base will eat this up.

 

[crimsonaudio]

This is absolutely a reasonable position. Has Trump made that distinction?

And if being accused of a violent crime is going to keep poor people in jail, there should be no bail for the rich accused of the same offenses.

If we truly offered speedy trials, this would be a no brainer.

But I'm also on board with refusing bail to anyone (reasonably) accused of a violent crime. The whole point of the law is to protect those that abide by the law from those that do not.

 

[crimsonaudio]

FTR, as a free speech guy I disagree totally with Trump here.

I'm guessing he's writing these EO's that he knows will be challenged so the right-leaning SCOTUS can strike down some earlier rulings.

 

[TIDE-HSV]

I thought burning a flag was what was proper, once it's worn out...

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1959998218030485578

TRUMP: “A lot of people are saying maybe we’d like a dictator.”



Those saying it (or staying silent) either approve of his policies or hate the Democrats so much that flushing the Constitution is worth it to "own the libs."

 

[Huckleberry]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1959966011127410853

Trump's Sunday:

1) ABC/NBC should lose license or pay hefty fees because their reporting is mean to him.

2) MD should maybe lose bridge repair funds because Wes Moore was mean to him.

3) The feds should investigate Chris Christie for Bridgegate because he was mean to him.






How can any rational person support this clown? Or continue to deny that he's weaponizing the federal government to silence the press and anyone he perceives as a political enemy (regardless of who else gets hurt)?

 

[jthomas666]

FTR, as a free speech guy I disagree totally with Trump here.

I'm guessing he's writing these EO's that he knows will be challenged so the right-leaning SCOTUS can strike down some earlier rulings.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!!

 

[92tide]

I thought burning a flag was what was proper, once it's worn out...

it is

 

[92tide]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1959998218030485578

TRUMP: “A lot of people are saying maybe we’d like a dictator.”



Those saying it (or staying silent) either approve of his policies or hate the Democrats so much that flushing the Constitution is worth it to "own the libs."

c'mon now, enough of the woke libtard overreaction

 

[92tide]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1959966011127410853

Trump's Sunday:

1) ABC/NBC should lose license or pay hefty fees because their reporting is mean to him.

2) MD should maybe lose bridge repair funds because Wes Moore was mean to him.

3) The feds should investigate Chris Christie for Bridgegate because he was mean to him.

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How can any rational person support this clown? Or continue to deny that he's weaponizing the federal government to silence the press and anyone he perceives as a political enemy (regardless of who else gets hurt)?

he is a snowflake pantywaist. it's apparently all the rage these days

 

[92tide]

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!!!

i think he's writing these because he thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants (he definitely thought that in his first term)

this time, he has surrounded himself with enough toadies to tell him he can do whatever he pleases, and then the toadies in the gop congress and gop supreme court are more than happy to say that the rule of law is whatever cankles wants it to be.

but don't worry, here's a woke democrat strawman to think about

 

[Crimson1967]

Trump floats idea of renaming Department of Defense back to Department of War

The name was changed in 1949.

www.wbrc.com

Trump wants to change the Defense Department to the War Department.

People think the Defense Department is just a new name but that’s not really the case. The War Department was created in 1789 to oversee the military. The Navy Department was spun off in 1798. Each had its own secretary and they were both in the cabinet.

After WWII, the Air Force was created as a separate military department from the Army Air Corps. At this point, the Defense Department was established to run the entire military with its own Secretary of Defense the the secretaries of each branch under him and no longer part of the cabinet.

So the old War Department is really just the Army and not the whole military. The Defense Department was created by Harry Truman. He was that woke libtard who dropped nukes on Japan.

 

[Its On A Slab]

The UK had the War Office until 1964, when it was merged with the Department of Defence.

 

[CrimsonJazz]

When - for real - is the last time you even saw someone burning an American flag? Be honest. When?

You're gonna see it now, though, just to prove the point it can be done.

I agreed with this right away when you posted this yesterday, but didn't give much thought to it after the fact. After some time, I realized something though. Yes, there is a good chance that a lot of lefties out there will make a point to start up the flag burning again......which will look great with the mid-terms only a year away. I honestly can't help but wonder if that was his goal all along.

Say what you want about the guy, Trump is crafty enough to know how to manipulate his detractors. That's not saying much, though. A brain-damaged gerbil could figure these people out.