I kind of liked Spurrier. He was a brash and cocky son of a gun, but was pretty funny sometimes too. He was also a very good coach whose offense changed the SEC.
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I kind of liked Spurrier. He was a brash and cocky son of a gun, but was pretty funny sometimes too. He was also a very good coach whose offense changed the SEC.
I like him too. I hated losing to him so much in the mid-90's but you just had to tip your hat because more times than not they were just better than us.
The toughest loss for me was the 1 point loss in 1994 when we were undefeated. It looked like we really had a good shot at if nothing else a split NC if things had fell right.
But I don't remember CSS every really rubbing our nose in it. He saved most of his razor sharp jabs for Tennessee....which were hilarious.
Yeah. I guess that's another reason I liked him. He and I shared a decided disdain for UT.
Spurier is my favorite non Bama coach of all time. Sucked losing to him but he was a great coach and lots of fun. Love his personality. Its what college sports is all about. He always had fun with it.
Reasons Bama fans hated Spurrier: we lost to him a lot
Reasons Bama fans hate Meyer: he’s a grade A scumbag, he let the inmates run the asylum at Florida, he’s a liar, the list goes on...
Reasons Bama fans hate Meyer: he’s a grade A scumbag, he let the inmates run the asylum at Florida, he’s a liar, the list goes on...
This situation is not good for college football and that in no way is meant to minimize what Courtney Smith likely endured. I can’t prove this, but my gut tells me that UM knew about the abuse, did what he could to try to protect himself but at the same time keep Zach from facing real penalties, and ultimately showed his ego when he lied about it at media days.
The real question is whether there was a culture of protection of Zach which sweeps Courtney’s likely abuse under the rug. To me, that’s a terminal offense. If that can’t be proven, then OSU has to decide whether the PR nightmare they will endure if they retain UM is worth it. Do not think that the PR issues will be limited to OSU.
The real question is whether there was a culture of protection of Zach which sweeps Courtney’s likely abuse under the rug. To me, that’s a terminal offense. If that can’t be proven, then OSU has to decide whether the PR nightmare they will endure if they retain UM is worth it. Do not think that the PR issues will be limited to OSU.
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I never have hated either, but if I was to choose one over the other to dislike more it would be Spurrier.
No it isn't.
possibly, but there could be a lot of other factors and rebuttal evidence that haven't been revealed to indicate a different side of this. at the present there is nothing to indicate that Urban SHOULD or will be fired.
I agree, but it has to be proven first. Right now its just angry fans wanting to attach this to all of the other Meyer incidents in the past to see him fired. Whether this comes from shear hatred of the man, true outrage of the events, or how the media has portrayed him a lot of people are going out of their way to see him burned at the stake.
I agree with a lot of this but unfortunately we will never know the full story. The main issue was 'Did Urban know? and if he did.... did he report it?
Well now Meyer backed by tOSU is making the statement that he did report it.....so unless someone can prove he actually didn't report it then nothing will happen.
But I also agree it makes NO sense for them to put him on AL IF they now say he reported it?? Just how poor is their interdepartmental communication?
But there is no reason for them to really care about bad PR. If they are 12-1 or 13-0 Big10 champs at the end of the year this story won't keep them out of the playoffs.
Winston raping somebody didn't stop FSU in 2013 nor did Cam Newton being bought and paid for stop Auburn in 2010.
Unfortunately in CFB morals and integrity and the Truth only matter in EXTREME cases like PSU and Baylor.
The reason is probably tOSU wants to control the situation and the best way is to control what Urban can and cant say. I think they would've never let him release that statement if they weren't confident that they would have him back as their head coach. I think Urban isn't a good inprov actor and cant shut a controversy down with the media like CNS and that's why they are presently in this situation. All the AL is damage control and giving tOSU the control of the release of facts about the situation.
Me too, B1G. Like someone said though, the degree to which Meyer is apparently disliked (and that`s putting it kindly ) by a fair number on this board also surprised me as well. I didn`t care much for the guy when he was at UF.....but geeze!!
Is there any documentation of Meyer reporting this?
If not, there is no reason to believe he did, considering the lies that have piled up.
If not, there is no reason to believe he did, considering the lies that have piled up.
How do you know that there is not any? and if and when there is would you ever believe it wasn't fabricated to save their coach?
I don’t know, which is why I asked.
Seems under the circumstances that would be produced in short order.
And why be accusatory towards me and assume I’m not honest or willing to accept what is produced?
Tell me why, at this point, Meyer should be taken on his word?
The most troubling thing to me is why in the world did he keep Zac Smith around?
We know for a fact that Meyer and his wife “counseled†this couple back in 2009 when issues with domestic violence arose in their relationship. It was difficult to swallow that Urban didn’t “know†in 2015. And now his statement says “I misspoke. I did know and reported it to administration and there was nothing there.â€Â
As we have seen with Saban, when issues arise with staff he has a tendency to subtlety “show them the doorâ€Â. Many of us held our breath waiting for the shoe to drop with some, but in the end most staff issues are address by helping them find “other opportunitiesâ€Â. My question is why in world didn’t Urban show Smith the door? You have two incidents at the very least with this couple. Domestic violence is a tremendously serious circumstance. You report it to all proper authorities, and you remove the university and the program from it by sending Zac Smith packing. Some would say, “there is no proof Zac Smith did anythingâ€Â. Sorry. There was evidence there were problems here that potentially could be disastrous. At that point you tell Zac Smith “I want to believe you are telling the truth. But we cannot take chance that you’re not. We are willing to help in whatever way we can to help you and your family. But you can’t be a part of this program any longer.†I would much rather deal with wrongful termination suit by Zac Smith than I would the “can of worms†their relationship had become.
So why didn’t he? Was it loyalty to Earl Bruce? Did he just hope it would go away? Clearly, Zac wasn’t a great position coach. He was a good recruiter but he wasn’t irreplaceable. So why attempt to “tip toe past the graveyard†with this couple? Was this some altruistic attempt by the Meyers to salvage this couples relationship?There is nothing on the exterior than remotely indicated Zac Smith was worth this risk. This to me it is perplexing.
And when it “hit the fan†with the order of protection issued against Zac Smith, Urban knew he screwed up. At Big Ten media days when hit with the questions, he chose to lie about it. Not the first time a coach has lied when put in a pinch but it does bring into question “what else are you lying about?â€Â
The administrative leave? Two reasons I see: First, to buy time and second, I think to find out exactly what Urban did or didn’t know and when. At some point this thing with the Smiths will get nastier than it is already. People can get questioned and depositions taken. Can you imagine if something arises that shows a completely different story than the one Urban told?
Let me also say I don’t necessarily believe Courtney is the “bastion of purity†in this whole thing. With some experience in these situations, I can say that truth usually is somewhere in between. But nothing, and I mean nothing, is an excuse to resort to the physical violence reported in this case.
In the end, I think Meyer survives this. His image tarnished (further) and the tOSU concerned for the rest of his tenure what “else†may crop up with this. But it is the risk they are willing to take with a successful coach bringing in millions.
Not much different than we’ve seen in other programs.
We know for a fact that Meyer and his wife “counseled†this couple back in 2009 when issues with domestic violence arose in their relationship. It was difficult to swallow that Urban didn’t “know†in 2015. And now his statement says “I misspoke. I did know and reported it to administration and there was nothing there.â€Â
As we have seen with Saban, when issues arise with staff he has a tendency to subtlety “show them the doorâ€Â. Many of us held our breath waiting for the shoe to drop with some, but in the end most staff issues are address by helping them find “other opportunitiesâ€Â. My question is why in world didn’t Urban show Smith the door? You have two incidents at the very least with this couple. Domestic violence is a tremendously serious circumstance. You report it to all proper authorities, and you remove the university and the program from it by sending Zac Smith packing. Some would say, “there is no proof Zac Smith did anythingâ€Â. Sorry. There was evidence there were problems here that potentially could be disastrous. At that point you tell Zac Smith “I want to believe you are telling the truth. But we cannot take chance that you’re not. We are willing to help in whatever way we can to help you and your family. But you can’t be a part of this program any longer.†I would much rather deal with wrongful termination suit by Zac Smith than I would the “can of worms†their relationship had become.
So why didn’t he? Was it loyalty to Earl Bruce? Did he just hope it would go away? Clearly, Zac wasn’t a great position coach. He was a good recruiter but he wasn’t irreplaceable. So why attempt to “tip toe past the graveyard†with this couple? Was this some altruistic attempt by the Meyers to salvage this couples relationship?There is nothing on the exterior than remotely indicated Zac Smith was worth this risk. This to me it is perplexing.
And when it “hit the fan†with the order of protection issued against Zac Smith, Urban knew he screwed up. At Big Ten media days when hit with the questions, he chose to lie about it. Not the first time a coach has lied when put in a pinch but it does bring into question “what else are you lying about?â€Â
The administrative leave? Two reasons I see: First, to buy time and second, I think to find out exactly what Urban did or didn’t know and when. At some point this thing with the Smiths will get nastier than it is already. People can get questioned and depositions taken. Can you imagine if something arises that shows a completely different story than the one Urban told?
Let me also say I don’t necessarily believe Courtney is the “bastion of purity†in this whole thing. With some experience in these situations, I can say that truth usually is somewhere in between. But nothing, and I mean nothing, is an excuse to resort to the physical violence reported in this case.
In the end, I think Meyer survives this. His image tarnished (further) and the tOSU concerned for the rest of his tenure what “else†may crop up with this. But it is the risk they are willing to take with a successful coach bringing in millions.
Not much different than we’ve seen in other programs.
The real question is.
Is Meyer’s written word more truthful than those expressed verbally? This is what happens when you bold face lie to the world about serious matters. Why should they believe anything else you say?
Especially, when everyone knows you are trying to save your backside from getting canned. His smugness at media days towards the report that was released has come back to bite him big time and its far from over IMO.
Is Meyer’s written word more truthful than those expressed verbally? This is what happens when you bold face lie to the world about serious matters. Why should they believe anything else you say?
Especially, when everyone knows you are trying to save your backside from getting canned. His smugness at media days towards the report that was released has come back to bite him big time and its far from over IMO.
Meyer has had too many suspicious things happen around his program for me to really trust his word on issue such as these.
I don't know exactly what the difference is between Saban and Meyer but Saban has managed to strike the balance between all the various variables - winning, giving second chances, academic mission, etc - without coming across quite so reckless that people attach the Win At All Costs label to him. Saban had one notable slip up on his calculus regarding Jonathan Taylor's merit for a second chance after domestic violence problems at UGA but he got burned and changed the formula for the future. We haven't even feigned interest in a character issue transfer since. This stuff keeps on happening with Meyer.
I don't know exactly what the difference is between Saban and Meyer but Saban has managed to strike the balance between all the various variables - winning, giving second chances, academic mission, etc - without coming across quite so reckless that people attach the Win At All Costs label to him. Saban had one notable slip up on his calculus regarding Jonathan Taylor's merit for a second chance after domestic violence problems at UGA but he got burned and changed the formula for the future. We haven't even feigned interest in a character issue transfer since. This stuff keeps on happening with Meyer.
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