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Who stays and who goes?

IMO, and that's all this is:
MI needs to stay - he didn't have that good of a year, looks like he's lost something from the injury
DH needs to stay - he looks like he has lost a step or two
MB needs to stay - he looked lost many times this year and he was out of position many times
JJ needs to go - he's ready for the next level
MD needs to go - though he didn't set the world on fire this year, he's probably ready
 
Julio is the only sure fire top 15 pick and should probably go. But he has said he won't leave until he has a degree and I don't know where he stands in that regard.

Mark, in my opinion is the best running back in college football, but with the knee injury and a down year stat wise, he honestly may benefit himself millions of dollars by coming back, having an injury free spectacular season and going in the top five or six picks next year.

I have no clue what Kiper etc. see in Dareus.

I'm not being ugly but he made two big plays against Texas and that one game is pretty much his career highlight film.

People forget, he wasn't even a starter for us last year. Deadrick and Lorenzo Washington were our starting defensive end/tackles.

This year he started and had what...one sack?

If that makes you the number two pick in the NFL draft then I'm walking on at Bama next year cause my 50 year old 5'8 170 self can find a way to get at least one sack. lol

At any rate....I just don't think he's ready at all for the NFL. Not even close.

Barron, Hanks, and Maze need to stay. They're not ready either. Very close....but the NFL doesn't draft "very close". They go for "help us immediately" guys....unless it's a QB who they're willing to develop.

Of those three however I think Maze is the most borderline and may have a shot in the 4th or 5th round. His size will hurt him a bit.

sip
 
IF MI comes back he could hurt his draft chances even more if he had another year of split carries with TR. I was very dissapointed this year with the 50/50 split. Neither rb could find his rhythm and both looked uncomfortable at times on the bench. Plus he would be stealing TR chance of thunder next year. They handled the situation as good as it possibly could have been but together they stifled each others potential. Take either one of them and give him the ball 80% of the time and you got a Heisman candidate. Put them together and split the carries and not so much. There is such a thing as having to much for your own good.

I never felt like their was a true identity to this offense. Without JJ we would have been terrible. I think we are better off if he MI goes. Now as soon as that happens TR will probably go down for the year in game two. If i knew MI would get the majority of carries next year I wish he would come back. But I dont see it happening that way.

But we were all expecting 4-6 guys going pro and so did the coaching staff probably. Now it looks like 3 at best. Our recruiting class is close to winding it up me thinks. Barron was a lock to go pre-season but no way now, especially if he is hurt bad. Ive seen projections of him going as late as the fourth round. Dont'a has to come back. He has more potential to improve his draft stock than anyone else on the team by returning. And he has to lose 15 pounds.

Lots of hard decisions to be made by these guys in the months to come.
 
TIDEnGA said:
Dang! How can we ever get back on top when these players keep leaving? I know I'm being biased, but it seems Alabama was one of the hardest hit with NFL early departures last year and is shaping up to be hit hard again.
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I think with the type of talent CNS is bringing in with each recruiting class, we can expect to see at least three, maybe four players to leave early every year.
 
I think MD, MI, and JJ are all probably the most likely to go in that order. MI and JJ are definitely ready for the NFL. I would love to see JJ back next year, and I'm sure he would love to come back. But it's in his best interest to go to the NFL. MI has been one of my favorite players while at Alabama, but I think he should go too. He didn't have a great season this year because of the injury and splitting carries with TR. But he's still a first rounder and is probably gonna be the top running back taken. I think MD is ready for the NFL, but I do think his stock has only gone down since the National Championship game. If you think about it, he hasn't done much at Alabama. Two big plays in the NC game got everyone's attention, but he had a very dismal year and part of that was injury but he was still disappointing. I think he's 100% gone. He's projected to be a top 5 pick, and he's had his head stuck in the NFL ever since the party in Miami.

As far as MB and DH go, they are not ready for the NFL. MB is a great run stopper but he is constantly out of position and has blown coverage numerous times this year. I know he had to adjust to being a leader on the defense and telling the young guys what to do, but I really think he would benefit by coming back. DH has improved since the beginning of the year, but he's no where near his old self. I don't know if he was hampered by the surgery or maybe he's not as good as we thought he was. You know playing beside Ro can make anyone look good. Just ask Nico. I heard someone mention Hanks and Maze leaving. I don't see this happening. I'm 95% sure Hanks comes back, and 75% sure Maze comes back. I think Maze could actually have a big part in the offense next year.
 
I think if Jones goes Maze will def think bout going and at least test it.. But if Jones stays I think MI might stay.. MB might stay because of his injury but pro scouts will take either way because his size and speed. MD I think is just plane not ready like MB but who knows what scouts will tell them.

Over all I'm just going to say MI, Jones, MD are all gone and I'll be happy if I'm wrong.
 
I think Julio is gone and Mark possibly, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or both stays. I think the others need to consider staying another year.
 
bamaman65 said:
I am sorry you did not mention coaches.
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I hope they all stay but there are going to be several opportunities available, it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
Another interesting question that will be hard to answer (as none of us want to be critical of players performances) is which players will transfer or give up football because of lack of playing time. We can only have 85 scholarship players on our roster and some guys might be encouraged to quit to ease the recruiting numbers crunch. Without citing reasons, I think Tyler Love might consider transferring. Jonathan Atchison, Chris Underwood or Undra Billingsley might also have some soul searching to do, IMHO. Who else do you think we may lose due to this reason ? And please, just give the name and don't dis anyones performance. They all love crimson and have my respect.
 
hightower stays, he will not project high enought to warrant leaving early, an extra year would do him a lot of good in the draft.

Barron may or may not go, I think he stays but he is possibly a first rounder.

Julio and Dareus are possibly top 10 picks, and will more than likely declare early.

Ingram is a tough one. A year ago his stock was high enough to make him the #1 rb on the board, but with an injury affectiing his play at the college level, pro team may not be as high on him as they would have been after his Heismann season. He does have to weigh this against the short career span of a RB in the NFL while another college season could erase all doubt in the minds of scouts and gms about his health and ability it could also cost him further injury and millions of dollars. I hope he stays, uses the spring to heal and comes back out on top next season, but we'll see.

someone asked earlier but there is no way hanks or maze goes early. both would benefit greatly from playing out their careers in ttown as both will likely top out as mid rounders.
 
rhYno said:
All I can say is I'm expecting the absolute worst in this year's draft.
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So who do you see leaving?

If I had to guess, I think Julio, Ingram and Dareus are going to declare. They will project high I think and all will be gone by the end of the 2nd in April's draft.

Barron is tough for me, but I can see him leaving cause he will perform well at the combine and plus if the injury news is true, he may not want to risk another injury in college.

Hightower I think stays. Coming off the knee injury he hasn't been the same. Another off season of training and a solid Sr campaign will do him well.

Outside of those 4...Im not sure who else in my mind is ready to declare.
 
TheRealPokeChop said:
hightower stays, he will not project high enought to warrant leaving early, an extra year would do him a lot of good in the draft.

Barron may or may not go, I think he stays but he is possibly a first rounder.

Julio and Dareus are possibly top 10 picks, and will more than likely declare early.

Ingram is a tough one. A year ago his stock was high enough to make him the #1 rb on the board, but with an injury affectiing his play at the college level, pro team may not be as high on him as they would have been after his Heismann season. He does have to weigh this against the short career span of a RB in the NFL while another college season could erase all doubt in the minds of scouts and gms about his health and ability it could also cost him further injury and millions of dollars. I hope he stays, uses the spring to heal and comes back out on top next season, but we'll see.

someone asked earlier but there is no way hanks or maze goes early. both would benefit greatly from playing out their careers in ttown as both will likely top out as mid rounders.
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While I do think Ingram's stock went down this year, I don't think coming back would help him that much. It might hurt him even more. He will be splitting carries with TR again...only averaging about 15 carries a game. And looking back on this season, MI didn't seem that happy. I know him and TR are really close but I don't think he was happy with the number of carries he was getting. I really wish Saban would have gave Ingram a little more carries than Trent instead of splitting it equally.
 
I believe Marcel Dareus is gone, and honestly, I hope he is. The guy was not a leader and was not better than average. He has had his mind set on the NFL ever since Miami and I'm honestly ready to see him go. It is someone else's turn.

I can actually see Julio staying. If the rumor is true that he wanted a degree, that is a great sign. But another factor which may not matter at all is his level of competitiveness. He also loves this university more than any UA player that I have seen. Mark Barron also is a huge competitor. For that reason, I can honestly see some of these guys coming back because of how we lost to Auburn. How many of those guys want that loss to be the last game they play in Bryant-Denny? It is farfetched I know, but think about it. It may not be enough to get a player to return, but it could absolutely be a plus to returning. A chance to stick it to the barn next year would make me think about it. Honestly. Maybe I'm still just fuming, but it was a thought I had.

Ingram is a competitor as well, but I can't see him staying. He loves this school too, but he's already accomplished everything he came to do. Heisman, championship, etc. A running back doesn't last long and he's ready. I'd love to see him stay, but I feel he's out.

From Nick Saban's past, he doesn't typically advise players to leave unless they are projected in the first round. That would be JJ, MI, and MD. Nobody else. MB and DH will be first round next year. Maze and Hanks will never be first rounders, no way they leave.

If DH stays, which I believe he will, our LB's next year will be Hightower, Ushaw, Mosley, and Johnson. That is not even fair!!
 
I cant argue with whether Julio will leave or should leave. However, I will say this I suspect that although he is projected to go high there will be questions about his injury history which could affect draft stock. He has not play a full healthy season since he has been here. Secondly, he may benefit tremendously from catching balls thrown by a more athletic QB such as McCarron or Sims. Its no coincidence that his production dropped off somewhat in his SO and Jr seasons compared to when JP was throwing him the ball.

I think MI should go. He is in virtually the same position as Coffee was. He has nothing left to prove at this level and if anything it could generate mixed results next season with TR too. However, I will say this if MI and TR were both hurt we would be in a world of hurt at RB. Some say we are deep but based on what I have seen so far Lacy is not as dynamic as MI or TR - he runs too high and stiff. So if MI leaves we will not still be deep at the position in regards to upper level quality.

Everyone else needs another year.

However, I want to say this. I am concerned about our ability to field a championship team when you have 8-10 seniors in your 2 deep and 2-5 of your top juniors declaring for the draft every year. If that becomes a pattern you are perpetually playing with relatively young team all the time. Secondly, in this process, if you have 2-4 of your top flight FR, RFR, or SO who you see not developing as quickly as you hoped you would, you are then out scurrying around trying to find a JUCO player to fill that gap. Which we are all well aware that you cant build a stable program on JUCOs.

Also, if you go back and look at it we have had an unbalanced team going all the way back to the probation era. What I mean is we have had a lot of maturity on one side of the ball but not the other. In 2008 it was on offense, in 2009 it was on defense. It seems a little more balanced in 2010 and will probably be about equal in 2011.
 
JDCrimson said:
I cant argue with whether Julio will leave or should leave. However, I will say this I suspect that although he is projected to go high there will be questions about his injury history which could affect draft stock. He has not play a full healthy season since he has been here. Secondly, he may benefit tremendously from catching balls thrown by a more athletic QB such as McCarron or Sims. Its no coincidence that his production dropped off somewhat in his SO and Jr seasons compared to when JP was throwing him the ball.
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Couple quick things (and sorry this is off topic).

1) The injury history is valid but JJ has played through it; which is a big plus b/c it shows he's not a prima donna WR and plays thru pain (very good mental toughness). So no big hurt to his stock.

2) His production dropped his Soph. year b/c of injuries. He just set a few school records this year (his JR. year), so not sure how you can say his production fell (especially considering he missed a little bit of time with an injury or two again).
 
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jps1983 said:
Couple quick things (and sorry this is off topic).

1) The injury history is valid but JJ has played through it; which is a big plus b/c it shows he's not a prima donna WR and plays thru pain (very good mental toughness). So no big hurt to his stock.

2) His production dropped his Soph. year b/c of injuries. He just set a few school records this year (his JR. year), so not sure how you can say his production fell (especially considering he missed a little bit of time with an injury or two again).
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Yup you hit the nail on the head. JJ toughness and ability to play through injuries is a big plus to his draft stock. He has no downsides. The whole he drops a lot of passes crap is just that. 90% of those he dropped he was trying to run before he caught the ball. That says nothing about his ability to catch a pass.....just his patience. The Guy is set to make a huge impact in the NFL when he goes.
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JJ will probably go. that being said his intense competitiveness and love for the University may keep him around for another ring.

MI same as JJ. Love the University and with the talk of a possible lock out may want to stay and try to get back to the top.

Dareus, Barron, and Hightower have all had injuries and do not think any are 100% with the possible lockout they should stay. And even if they did go they would have to know that each would have to blow the combine out to be higher than second or third round picks. Couldn't see any of them being in the top 5 in there respective positions at this point.
 
MD once mentioned to a girl I know that left UA to come back home "Hey you're coming back for my draft party next year right." That was before this season started. I think he's gone, and I do think he's a first round value. That said, he never did lead the defense, but vocal doesn't seem his style. I was really hoping for Barron to step up.
 
Alasippi said:
Julio is the only sure fire top 15 pick and should probably go. But he has said he won't leave until he has a degree and I don't know where he stands in that regard.

Mark, in my opinion is the best running back in college football, but with the knee injury and a down year stat wise, he honestly may benefit himself millions of dollars by coming back, having an injury free spectacular season and going in the top five or six picks next year.

I have no clue what Kiper etc. see in Dareus.

I'm not being ugly but he made two big plays against Texas and that one game is pretty much his career highlight film.

People forget, he wasn't even a starter for us last year. Deadrick and Lorenzo Washington were our starting defensive end/tackles.

This year he started and had what...one sack?

If that makes you the number two pick in the NFL draft then I'm walking on at Bama next year cause my 50 year old 5'8 170 self can find a way to get at least one sack. lol

At any rate....I just don't think he's ready at all for the NFL. Not even close.

Barron, Hanks, and Maze need to stay. They're not ready either. Very close....but the NFL doesn't draft "very close". They go for "help us immediately" guys....unless it's a QB who they're willing to develop.

Of those three however I think Maze is the most borderline and may have a shot in the 4th or 5th round. His size will hurt him a bit.

sip
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Couldn't agree more...
 
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