I mentioned in this thread that Tua is good but turns over the ball a lot in the practice. If Tua can cut down the turnover in spring practice, then we have a legit battle.
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So are you saying you've heard from reliable sources that Tua, at this point in the season is throwing a lot of INT's in practice?
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I trust Earle more when it comes to “inside info” than any others on this board. He doesn’t just throw opinions out there like some and think they’re facts. Some of you guys make me laugh and there are days I need the comic relief. Lol
I've read information across the bama boards since the season started....
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Well, even if true I'd say give him a shot if we're not moving the ball on offense. They could bring him in when we have good field position (near midfield). That way if he does throw one Clemson will most likely have some distance to go.
It has made it on the board few times. But anyway, w shall see.
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I went back and just compared games that Jalen and Tua played in.
Jalen: 79-118 for 10 TDS and 1 INT - 1 TD every 11.8 attempts.
Tua: 35-53 for 7 TDS and 1 INT - 1 TD every 7.5 attempts
I realize this is not a straight up comparison because Jalen played when the score was 0-0 and Tua always entered after there was a significant lead. That said, I doubt Jalen felt a ton more pressure than Tua in these games.
About all the above numbers show is that Tua's TD per attempt ratio is better in the same games.
There is no way to tell if Tua would play better, worse or the same as Jalen against the better defenses.
To say he'd probably play worse just because Jalen does is nothing more than a guess, but the one thing that is consistently overlooked is that Tua's fundamentals are much better than Jalen's so I don't think it is a given he couldn't succeed.
In the 5 games against FSU, TAMU, LSU, MSU and Auburn (games Tua didn't play): Jalen was 56-104 with 5 TDS. In those games he threw 1 TD every 20.8 attempts. Basically, his TD to attempt ratio was cut in half in the these 5 games compared to the easier games. He threw 0 INTs to his credit, but his TD success per attempt was significantly worse.
I guess the question is would Tua's production drop by the same amount as Jalen's if he would have played against those 5 teams? Would his be cut in half to 1 TD every 15 attempts?
I guess I'd revert back to the eye test at this point and say, I think Tua's production wouldn't fall off as much as Jalen's simply because I believe his skill set and fundamentals would actually allow him to succeed where Jalen struggled against the better defenses.
with the stats i used and one is a pick six then we win by just 28 instead of 35..we as fans look at our defense at times as having weaknesses but in reality we have a stout defense every year. We are accustomed to our defense carrying the team. We arent going to be "best defense in years" every year.. But if we keep having QB numbers 100 yards 0 TD's in big games, we are going to come up short at times.
Not that stats are not useful but they must be put in context. My only issue with these stats are one set is a full year of games, one is only a small sample of games. Also not knocking Tua but those numbers are against defenses at end of games that were in hand, and defenses already beaten for the most part. The old adage we use when a team gets that CHEAP TD late when we are leading by a lot. Hard to compare apples to apples as they have not both played under even remotely similar circumstances. Not saying that alone dismisses or props up one over the other, just very different points in a game that the stats were achieved. Just the nature of the beast, backups that look much better have one advantage, it is usually in clean up or finish off mode. No way to know what stats would be if they played equal time in equal circumstances. Again Tua has looked sharp when on the field, his accuracy is spot on. Then again he has not had to play when down and or team struggling, his play has been when games were pretty much a done deal.
You guys are pretty tough to please. I acknowledged some of these variables. But, if we are going to have any raw data to compare them, we'd have to do it when they played the same defenses.
I'd say Tua's stats were probably deflated somewhat because he played near the end of these games, we really started shutting down the offense. Case in point, although Tua entered the game early in the 4th quarter against Arkansas, he only threw 2 passes (1-2). Hidden in this was a backwards pass to Josh Jacobs that went for about 50 yards that doesn't show in the stats because it would have gone in the books as a handoff, but it was a backward swing pass thrown perfectly.
I'd venture to say that if he had played at the beginning of these games with the same amount of reps as Jalen his numbers would be even better. Yes, this is speculation, but with his fundamentals and accuracy and willingness to throw it in tight spaces, his attempts would likely be higher than Jalen's and therefore his yardages and td rates would be greater.
Also, after looking at the stats that compared their play against the same defense. I failed to mention that in two of those games Tua had very limited reps.
As mentioned, against Arkansas, he only had 2 attempts. Against Col. St. he only had 1 completion in 4 attempts. This was the game that CNS put Jalen back in the game near the end with about 2 minutes left, which was strange even though we led 41-23. Tua had 1 of those 4 passes dropped by a tight end. He threw one bad pass that would have been a first down. Uncharacteristically, he threw it behind a wide open Najee Harris that would have made the a first down. However, all four passes called for Tua in this game were throws around the LOS rather than downfield. Not exactly using his skill set. BTW, this was the game CNS was so upset with the defense not being able to get off the field.
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Thought I'd share this quote from Kirk Herbstreit from the Arkansas game. As mentioned in the earlier post, although Tua got in the game early in the fourth quarter, he only threw 2 passes since we were up 38-3. But here's KH's comparison of Tua's skill set and Jalen's:
"Tua is a different kind of qb. JH is a true threat in running the football...but while he (Tua) can do that he's more about precision passing and making great decisions throwing the football. So they (coaches) attack differently when he gets a chance to get in there relying more him distributing the football and making good decisions and accurate throws."
Pretty much what many are saying has caused some of the recent "attitude" problems: poor ball distribution.
"Tua is a different kind of qb. JH is a true threat in running the football...but while he (Tua) can do that he's more about precision passing and making great decisions throwing the football. So they (coaches) attack differently when he gets a chance to get in there relying more him distributing the football and making good decisions and accurate throws."
Pretty much what many are saying has caused some of the recent "attitude" problems: poor ball distribution.
I agree with you, I've gone back and rewatched Tuas passes both down field completions and touchdowns. While it's true he played in the second half of most games, the depleted defense theory I'm not always buying. I've seen passes that are threaded , beautifully thrown into tight windows and covered pretty well by defensive backs and that dates back even to the spring game regardless of first or second string coverage. I give credit for the throw, accuracy and ball placement to the appropriate shoulder depending on the route of the receiver. In my opinion, the staff feels they have two quarterbacks that they can win with and it makes that decision that much tougher to make. However, sooner or later however that happens....it's going to pan out appropriately . I do think these final two games (I'm counting on a victory here
will help determine the path going forward and the qb that leads that path
Yes, and Gary Danielson should be a good judge of talent since he was an NFL QB. Earlier in this thread I posted a video of Tua to Ruggs for a TD in the UT game. The clip didn't pick up Gary's comment at the end but he said "God can he throw the ball", man-o-man!"
In regard to the remark that Tua throws a lot of INTs in practice, it could also be that Jalen looks like Drew Brees in practice. We just don't know because we aren't there.
I did pick up on Danielson's comments about Tua's ability. He played QB and has seen a ton of players through all his years of broadcasting. If he says the kid is "special" I tend to give that some credence.
I did pick up on Danielson's comments about Tua's ability. He played QB and has seen a ton of players through all his years of broadcasting. If he says the kid is "special" I tend to give that some credence.
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