Questions about Milroe.

[colbysullivan]

Nope. If Milroe is as bad as you say he is (and he has been bad I’m not denying that), and Ty is this magic elixir that’s going to fix all of our problems then we should be confident in the rest of the games right?

I can't take this seriously. Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to win at night in Death Valley?

 

[cdub55]

JM simply doesn't have accuracy. Has a shotgun that shoots buck shot and can't consistently hit the bullseye. He seldom hits receivers in stride even when he connects. I cannot tell you the number of times coaching my oldest son in little league baseball to "Stop Pushing the Ball and THROW IT" when he was on the mound. That's what Milroe is doing, in a sense, and the INT's are in his head permanently now. Time to move on.

FIFY

 

[colbysullivan]

I've never screamed "throw the ball" as much in my life! lol...he holds it for an eternity and then throws into coverage or way over wide open players. It's especially a lottery in the Red Zone and 1st and goal...he does not want to throw quickly into a tight window, it seems...he also struggles to lead receivers and throw them open...it is either behind them or right in the chest, so they don't have the momentum to run after the catch. I dont think we see any change this week despite the obvious need to do so

Yep. It's crazy how bad his decision making is. The really crazy thing is sometimes he literally doesn't even MAKE a decision...

 

[RammerJammer15]

I can't take this seriously. Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to win at night in Death Valley?

But you believe Ty gives us the best chance to win in that environment right?

 

[colbysullivan]

I'm sorry but if you are a coach and can't tell if a player is injured or not you shouldn't be coaching. A JV coach can look at his QB's throwing motion, accuracy, facial expressions, (insert 400 other things), and tell if he is alright to play. Like someone said above, if he's hurt he needs to be on the bench, if he isn't hurt he definitely needs to be on the bench.

Again, the injury thing is completely irrelevant. He has no business to continue being our starter at this point.

 

[colbysullivan]

But you believe Ty gives us the best chance to win in that environment right?

Over the absolute clownshow that is Jalen Milroe? Yes, absolutely.

 

[rolltide_21]

I'm sorry but if you are a coach and can't tell if a player is injured or not you shouldn't be coaching. A JV coach can look at his QB's throwing motion, accuracy, facial expressions, (insert 400 other things), and tell if he is alright to play. Like someone said above, if he's hurt he needs to be on the bench, if he isn't hurt he definitely needs to be on the bench.

Correct. But as someone said above this isnt HS or JV. These guys play through all kinds of injuries and may or may not disclose the severity of the injury to coaches, trainers, staff, etc. I think it was CA who first made this point and he’s right.

I’m also not inclined to buy into the “he’s playing terrible because of a injury” because we have the best trainer in CFB in Jeff Allen. If he was too injured to play, given JA’s track record over the last decade+, I have no doubt he would step in with Coach Deboer and staff. Keeping JA was a huge win by CKD.

I have no definite answer to Milroe’s regression- except this. Teams have film on him in CKD’s offense. They adjusted (like Kirby did in game) Milroe doesn’t know how to adjust and is missing his reads. He either needs to fix it or be replaced.

 

[tusks_n_raider]

Nope. If Milroe is as bad as you say he is (and he has been bad I’m not denying that), and Ty is this magic elixir that’s going to fix all of our problems then we should be confident in the rest of the games right?

I think Ty is the better option in the short term and the long term but you don't just throw him to the wolves in Baton Rouge with no previous start... or at least no serious time vs a competent opponent with the game in question.

In the last 2 seasons he's had no real experience other than saving our butts vs USF last year... and no matter what people think HE DID come off the bench and guide us to that win under sub optimal conditions.

He needs to either get the start vs Mizzou or get 50/50 split reps or play the entire 2nd half or something before you start him vs LSU.

We might still lose to LSU but I'm of the opinion we'd win out after that with Ty to at worst finish 9-3 go to a respectiable bowl game and get off to a much better start for 2025.

But Ty is really talented and from what people have said who saw some of spring and fall practices he's looked absolutely spectacular running CKD's offense.

So... He might could beat LSU and get us to 10-2 and the playoffs.

I know that none of us will ever know though if the kid never gets one single fair shot at the job.

 

[CoolBreeze]

We have seen the high water mark for Jalen as well as the drought. Key for him is obvious, don't let him think. We need to concentrate on running the flipping football, more designed runs for him (he is a running QB) then maybe a primary, hot read or throw it away in the passing game. Do that and we will survive the season and hopefully get him drafted.

 

[UAH]

I really don't know what to make of Milroe anymore. He has moments of playing clutch, and he has moments of making terrible reads/throws/decisions. I think it's why so many on this board are split on him. Neither side is really wrong, he's just inconsistent. I also don't think the play calling has helped him, this year or last.

I think we have the ability to win out the regular season with Milroe and I don't think we have that ability with Simpson. Not because of any lack of talent with Simpson, but because of lack of experience. With that said, I have no faith in winning out with Milroe.

The one thing that I agree with you on is it is wrong to expect a kid to come off the sidelines and perform miracles with a team like this. I don't agree that this team can win out.

 

[cdub55]

Correct. But as someone said above this isnt HS or JV. These guys play through all kinds of injuries and may or may not disclose the severity of the injury to coaches, trainers, staff, etc. I think it was CA who first made this point and he’s right.

I’m also not inclined to buy into the “he’s playing terrible because of a injury” because we have the best trainer in CFB in Jeff Allen. If he was too injured to play, given JA’s track record over the last decade+, I have no doubt he would step in with Coach Deboer and staff. Keeping JA was a huge win by CKD.

I have no definite answer to Milroe’s regression- except this. Teams have film on him in CKD’s offense. They adjusted (like Kirby did in game) Milroe doesn’t know how to adjust and is missing his reads. He either needs to fix it or be replaced.

Film schmilm...

JM overthrows/underthrows/misses altogether wide open guys on screens, on check downs, on crossing routes, on deep balls. This isn't film! This is lack of accuracy issue. Football is a complex game but this isn't a complex issue. He has proven he lacks the ability to put together consistent and winning football. As the QB of a team that is based on QB play, it is up to the coach to give someone else an opportunity. This isn't HS where the drop off from QB1 to QB2 should be superstar to waterboy. These guys all were successful and highly touted guys. Put someone in there that can give us a chance to get the ball to our 5 star playmakers. JM has 57 rushing yards in the last three games. Spare me the "he gives us the best chance to win because of his legs" garbage.

 

[Slowpoke Catracho]

I see 3 or 4 things happening:
1. Milroe starts and hopefully works himself out of it.
2. Milroe starts and Simpson comes in in relief/Vice Versa.
3. Simpson Starts and Milroe gets the message again.
4. Simpson starts and wins the position/Milroe enters the portal.

 

[rolltide_21]

I'm not singling you out. I'm saying the people that are suggesting Nilroe should be benched because he might be injured are completely missing the point. It doesn't matter if he's injured. He should be benched because he has destroyed our program.

IF he’s the better option. This could be a Tua/Jalen situation all over again circa 2017. Ty Simpson, Lonegran, or the kid who transferred from UW may get a chance and never look back for the rest of their time at the Capstone. Or Milroe might be the best QB in the room which is saying something about Bama’s QB room right now. We could be bad/under developed at the position for a multiplicity of reasons. We think we have it figured out on some message board. When we actually have no clue what‘s going on on a day to day basis in the program.

 

[RammerJammer15]

I think Ty is the better option in the short term and the long term but you don't just throw him to the wolves in Baton Rouge with no previous start... or at least no serious time vs a competent opponent with the game in question.

In the last 2 seasons he's had no real experience other than saving our butts vs USF last year... and no matter what people think HE DID come off the bench and guide us to that win under sub optimal conditions.

He needs to either get the start vs Mizzou or get 50/50 split reps or play the entire 2nd half or something before you start him vs LSU.

We might still lose to LSU but I'm of the opinion we'd win out after that with Ty to at worst finish 9-3 go to a respectiable bowl game and get off to a much better start for 2025.

But Ty is really talented and from what people have said who saw some of spring and fall practice he's look absolutely spectacular running CKD's offense.

So... He might could beat LSU and get us to 10-2 and the playoffs.

I know that none of us will ever know though if the kid never gets one single fair shot at the job.

That’s all I’m really trying to say. I’m not anti-Ty but this isn’t exactly a Jalen/Tua situation, Tua played in the 2nd half of most games in 2017 so by the time he played, he was game ready and Tua did that as a freshman. Ty has been in the program for 3 seasons and still hasn’t been able to unseat Milroe. Throwing Ty to the wolves in the middle of the season when he’s barely played doesn’t do him any favors I don’t think.

Also, this team has a lot of issues outside of the QB position that I don’t think Ty can cover up for. I just saw Beck play god awful against Texas and they still won by 15. We don’t have the team to get away with that.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

But you believe Ty gives us the best chance to win in that environment right?

You don't have to have a definite answer to that question to make a change. That decision can be made by what you DO KNOW and what we DO KNOW is Milroe has been atrocious for three consecutive games, throwing picks in FOUR straight games. Sometimes just making the change gives the rest of the team a spark and it can reset the guy you're benching. Because, obviously right now he's not seeing the field well enough to benefit the team.

 

[rolltide_21]

Film schmilm...

JM overthrows/underthrows/misses altogether wide open guys on screens, on check downs, on crossing routes, on deep balls. This isn't film! This is lack of accuracy issue. Football is a complex game but this isn't a complex issue. He has proven he lacks the ability to put together consistent and winning football. As the QB of a team that is based on QB play, it is up to the coach to give someone else an opportunity. This isn't HS where the drop off from QB1 to QB2 should be superstar to waterboy. These guys all were successful and highly touted guys. Put someone in there that can give us a chance to get the ball to our 5 star playmakers. JM has 37 rushing yards in the last three games. Spare me the "he gives us the best chance to win because of his legs" garbage.

I‘ve never made this argument or anything you’ve said in this post. Yes, the screenshots are everywhere- here, social media, etc. Milroe cannot read the field. That point is obvious and if there is a better option he should be benched.

 

[cbi1972]

I think that and unlimited transfers are a very big part of it, but who on this team do you see going in the first round? Not arguing with you, but curious to know.

That's a really good question, and I don't really have an answer.

I think it's a loaded question, since part of the problem we have had has been skill player exodus based significantly on the willingness and ability for the quarterback to include them in the offense.

Isaiah Bond leads the Longhorns in receiving yards and touchdowns, but they have four 300+ yard receivers because they have a pair of quarterbacks that see the field and distribute the ball.

It's too early to say what Caleb Odom's future looks like, but we already know he is disappointed with his development so far.

 

[colbysullivan]

IF he’s the better option. This could be a Tua/Jalen situation all over again circa 2017. Ty Simpson, Lonegran, or the kid who transferred from UW may get a chance and never look back for the rest of their time at the Capstone. Or Milroe might be the best QB in the room which is saying something about Bama’s QB room right now. We could be bad/under developed at the position for a multiplicity of reasons. We think we have it figured out on some message board. When we actually have no clue what‘s going on on a day to day basis in the program.

I simply refuse to believe that is the case. We have seen Ty throw, and we know he is more accurate. We have seen him avoid pressure in the pocket, and as crazy as this sounds, it seems he might actually be more mobile.

 

[BigPoppa52]

Georgia was enough games in we started to show some tendacies on offense. Milroe not good enough or can't figure how to over come what the d is doing to him

And THAT'S why God made coaches. But apparently, they aren't good enough to figure it out either.

 

[cdub55]

I see 3 or 4 things happening:
1. Milroe starts and hopefully works himself out of it.
2. Milroe starts and Simpson comes in in relief/Vice Versa.
3. Simpson Starts and Milroe gets the message again.
4. Simpson starts and wins the position/Milroe enters the portal.

Milroe enters the portal and he guarantees he never plays another snap of CFB. Good luck with that option.