2016 Season QB Thread

[rgw]

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I make my own assumptions about the QB position but I never count any guy out until the season is going.

 

[Tideflyer]

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Heard Travis Reier talk Hurts multiple times last week. One time he mentioned hearing the older players are beginning to be impressed with him.

Combine that with Saban's comment, and I'm going to say we shouldn't discount either guy winning the job.

Should it be assumed that no one has done that as of yet?

 

[RTR91]

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Should it be assumed that no one has done that as of yet?

That's a fair assumption. Probably won't get a complete idea until two weeks when camp starts.

Travis did say in one of his interviews he's heard the older players are impressed with Hurts.


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[JBama_in_PCOLA]

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Should it be assumed that no one has done that as of yet?

Let's just hope it is just that. I would love to have one of them win the job, win a championship, then have the job for a couple more season. The QB race every year is getting to me. I could imagine how Coach feels.

 

[CrimSonami]

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Let's just hope it is just that. I would love to have one of them win the job, win a championship, then have the job for a couple more season. The QB race every year is getting to me. I could imagine how Coach feels.

It concerns me at times as well. Then I stop to think. CNS and CLK will find the best combination and play to that strength. They've done it the past two seasons and we've made the playoffs in both. We've accumulated 3 trophies. 2 SEC and 1 National Championship. I don't think it bothers CNS as much as it would lesser coaches. I think he actually embraces the challenge. That's just the way he's wired. And I like it!

 

[RTR91]

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[h=1]Saban sheds light on QB battle during ESPN visit[/h]

 

[Nolan]

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I'll say first that I expect Bateman to win the job.

However, it is intriguing to consider what Hurts is capable of. Young, inexperienced and could cost us early. But he's a weapon and would make the offense very dangerous IMO. There would almost certainly be some transfers though.

 

[CoolBreeze]

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I'll say first that I expect Bateman to win the job.

However, it is intriguing to consider what Hurts is capable of. Young, inexperienced and could cost us early. But he's a weapon and would make the offense very dangerous IMO. There would almost certainly be some transfers though.

Yep, we've had few surprises at the QB position during Saban's reign. The next man up - most mature with complete understanding of the offense AND support of the team - seems to always lead us the next season. The only surprise is how well Lane has tweaked the offense to the strengths of the starter. So what Saban says is correct. We have two super talents in the arms and legs department but the between the ears part is key to getting the nod. If either of the two young guys can be as effective in the latter at the same level or above the older guys then I say they will get a shot. Barring prodigy status I would say odds are against it.

 

[tattooguy21]

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I'll say it.....I hope it's Jalen Hurts. Watching the tape and a day, he's clearly green, but seemed to have the most talented athlete.

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[Sabanizer]

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I said before the NCG that I thought winning would make it easier to start a freshman if you believed he would better than the other guy by mid season or less. That aside, the NC game took a lot of pressure off CNS and Bama. The narrative this year would have been that Coach was past his prime and could not win in this new playoff era. Now the narrative is he is the greatest coach in the modern era hands down (Post Bryant). Night and day. You know the media, and you can't ignore it.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

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CNS have done it all. If he wants to add to his legend, start a freshman qb and go all the way to playoff.

 

[KrAzY3]

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Combine that with Saban's comment, and I'm going to say we shouldn't discount either guy winning the job.

It is such an odd situation because we've never seen this much talent (in terms of star rankings) and such diversity in terms of abilities. The true freshman is still in the conversation, the most experienced guy is in the hunt, there's the slow guy with a big arm and the amazing runner, it is really interesting because so many different possibilities and strengths and weaknesses.

I'll say it.....I hope it's Jalen Hurts. Watching the tape and a day, he's clearly green, but seemed to have the most talented athlete.

It is so hard to imagine Hurts, as a true freshman, starting full time in the SEC. However, one interesting possibility would be a two QB system with Bateman. Bateman has the most experience and is likely the most capable of handling really difficult situations, and Hurts is clearly capable of creating opportunities with his legs. The only issue is there's more overlap between those two than there would be with Cornwell and Hurts for example, but Hurts is a good enough runner I could imagine seeing him come in on certain plays.

The thing is, if it was JUST Hurts and Bateman, that scenario would be a lot less messy. Also, it would make a lot more sense Hurts was a redshirt freshman, like Barnett is. In terms of Barnett, I don't think there's enough separation in running ability to warrant a two QB system with those two (Bateman or Hurts+Barnett). Though, a QB battle between Cornwell and Barnett could be really interesting as they are two different types of quarterbacks. I can keep turning things over in my head, but really I'm just not sure that is going to happen or what would be best. However, some scenarios would have big implications, if Barnett or Cornwell end up out of the picture, then they might not want to stick around, for example. And, if for some reason Barnett starts and Hurts sits, he could end up exiting in a similar fashion to Phillip Sims.

 

[Sabanizer]

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It is so hard to imagine Hurts, as a true freshman, starting full time in the SEC. However, one interesting possibility would be a two QB system with Bateman

Or Barnett

 

[JustNeedMe81]

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That's a lot to digest at this moment, but the way things are set for the next few years, There are several scenarios that could play out to where multiple quarterback could transfer out of the program should Hurts or Barnett is selected: Cornwell and Bateman comes to mind, even though that is probably not a big deal. Now, Lot of people keep saying that Barnett could transfer after the season is over if he doesn't win the job, and I want to quickly point to an article where his father talked about his future at Alabama:
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“The faster he can get his degree, the better off he is,” Lance said. “God forbid you have to transfer, or you can go to the NFL, or he can work on his master’s. ... You always have to prepare for situations that come your way down the road. Hopefully, [transferring] is a situation he doesn’t see himself in. ... Get your degree as soon as possible, and worry after that. You’re not penalized then.”

It sounds like his father wants him to get his degree before deciding to transfer, but that can always change at any moment.

Jalon Hurts is in very good position, no matter who wins the job because he'll be redshirt freshman or Sophomore (Someone corrects me if I'm wrong) If he doesn't win the job this year. Next year we'll have Mac Jones and Tug coming in, and that's when things will get interesting.

 

[careeves]

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I don't understand why everyone is so high on Cooper Bateman. Bateman struggled at A-day, struggled at the Manning Camp with down field throws. Just because he has more experience, does not qualify him to be our starter on that alone. Hurt will redshirt. Blake Barnett is far more talented than Bateman or Cornwell. Barnett will be our starting quarterback.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

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I don't understand why everyone is so high on Cooper Bateman. Bateman struggled at A-day, struggled at the Manning Camp with down field throws. Just because he has more experience, does not qualify him to be our starter on that alone. Hurt will redshirt. Blake Barnett is far more talented than Bateman or Cornwell. Barnett will be our starting quarterback.

Everyone has the right to voice their thoughts on where the quarterback competition is. Coach Saban and Kiffin have said that if the game were to start today, Bateman would be the choice. They have consistently said that throughout the summer. A day does not really count. They kept the offense very simple. Coach Saban said something interesting the other day and how he brought up Barnett and Hurt in a conversation, but didn't mention Bateman. Could mean something, but then again it could be nothing. Bateman Can get his deep ball issue fixed just in time for the fall camp. Who knows? Jalon Hurts is a coach's kid and he has advanced knowledge of the game, and that can play a huge role in his competing for the start job this fall. So, don't discount Bateman in this conversation. All three are legit contender to win the job in the fall.

 

[TheTradition]

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I don't understand why everyone is so high on Cooper Bateman. Bateman struggled at A-day, struggled at the Manning Camp with down field throws. Just because he has more experience, does not qualify him to be our starter on that alone. Hurt will redshirt. Blake Barnett is far more talented than Bateman or Cornwell. Barnett will be our starting quarterback.

I don't think everyone is "so high" on Bateman. In fact, I've found more fans I talk to seem to be against him than for him. However, if you look at Saban's history, he almost always starts the older guy. Not because there's some kind of precedent or rule but because typically the oldest guy has been there long enough to know what coach expects and to make the right decisions to win games.

You're right that Bateman's experience alone doesn't necessarily qualify him to be the starter. But neither does Barnett's talent. He was probably the worst of the four QBs during spring, and as long as he continues to struggle with his decision making, he won't play.

There are plenty of doubts with Bateman as there were with Sims and Coker. It's my opinion that he wouldn't be in the position he is in if Saban didn't think he was fully capable of playing the position. CNS is there everyday at practice. We fans have a much smaller sample size to judge from. It's not like he was some scrub out of HS either. We're talking about a guy who was a top 10-15 QB by all accounts.

I know this post sounds very pro-Bateman, but I don't have a dog in the fight. I learned my lesson in 2014. The coaches will pick whoever gives us the best chance to win.

 

[KentuckianaBFan]

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I don't understand why everyone is so high on Cooper Bateman. Bateman struggled at A-day, struggled at the Manning Camp with down field throws. Just because he has more experience, does not qualify him to be our starter on that alone. Hurt will redshirt. Blake Barnett is far more talented than Bateman or Cornwell. Barnett will be our starting quarterback.

Be sure and let Coach Saban know...I'm sure that he and Coach Kiffin will be relieved to know that they don't have to make that decision...

 

[Moro Creek]

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Be hard to redshirt Hurts when he starts the first game.

 

[mulletover]

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Be hard to redshirt Hurts when he starts the first game.

I don't know that Hurts will start from day 1 but his footwork is miles ahead of any true freshman I've ever seen and his pocket awareness is unreal.