Border thread part II

[Go Bama]

My position is that she did nothing of substance. I've asked multiple times for the report she submitted on her work, her proposals, her suggested legislative action, heck anything. One article was posted about some development money that the country involved said wasn't enough and didn't help anything.

The bill in question was a terrible bill that wouldn't fix anything. You may think it was the best bill ever and if passed would have changed the world, but it wasn't and it wouldn't. You could pass it and still have the same issues.

I didn’t get that impression. Do you have any citations other than your IQ?

 

[NationalTitles18]

So doing nothing is better than doing something, essentially, even if that something is chock full of things republicans have publicly stated they desired for years and the republican who put forth the bill says it was a good bill. Not perfect. Good.

It seems like some are letting their version of perfect be the enemy of good.

 

[Bamaro]

So doing nothing is better than doing something, essentially, even if that something is chock full of things republicans have publicly stated they desired for years and the republican who put forth the bill says it was a good bill. Not perfect. Good.

It seems like some are letting their version of perfect be the enemy of good.

And it would have taken away the gripes that trump wants to wage.

 

[AWRTR]

I didn’t get that impression. Do you have any citations other than your IQ?

You need to be more specific. I mentioned an article posted here and then shared my personal opinion on the bill. What citations would you like? I generally do them in MLA format if that's ok.

I took several online IQ tests on Facebook turns out I'm brilliant. They emailed me the results.

 

[chanson78]

So I found this article. https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill/

The $118 billion bill, called the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, sought significant changes in border policy. It includedmoney to build more border barriers, to greatly expand detention facilities, and to hire more Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents, asylum officers and immigration judges to reduce the years-long backlog in cases to determine asylum eligibility. It sought to expedite the asylum process, essentially ending — in most cases — the so-called “catch and release” policy whereby migrants are released into the U.S. pending asylum hearings. And it would have increased the standard of evidence needed to win asylum status.

The bill also would have supplied more funding to interdict fentanyl and human trafficking, and it included $60 billion in aid for Ukraine and $14 billion for Israel.

“It doesn’t have everything in it I wanted, it doesn’t have everything it it my Democratic colleagues wanted,” one of the architects of the bill, Republican Sen. James Lankford, said from the Senate floor before the vote was taken. “But it definitely makes a difference.”

I‘m no border policy expert, so I won’t pretend that all of that stuff is definitely good and helpful.

I did however find an article from 2019 whereTrump’s administration wanted to speed up the asylum process.

Trump wants to make asylum seekers’ stay in the US harder — and shorter

A memo outlines the next steps in the administration’s crackdown — but they aren’t happening just yet.

www.vox.com

And an article where he wanted increased funding for border enforcemeant.

Trump budget wants billions more for border wall, immigration agents and judges

The president's 2019 budgets requests $1.6 billion to extend the southern border wall and the hiring of 2,750 new immigration agents.

www.usatoday.com

And an article where Trump imposed production quotas on immigration judges, which to the border layperson like me, implies that he recognized we weren’t able to process immigration cases quickly enough.

Trump imposes production quotas for immigration judges

The DOJ said judges must complete 700 cases a year to earn a satisfactory grade

www.cbsnews.com

So it seems that both Trump and the Biden Harris administrations don’t quite have the right plans. Do you have some sure fire solutions that they don’t know about? Is Trumps worn out and tired solutions going to make you not vote for him?

 

[Bazza]

Nash wrote "Immigration Man" about an unfortunate moment he had with a U.S. Customs official when he tried to enter the country. The customs official held him up interminably, and soon people started coming up to Nash for his autograph. When that happened, Nash was allowed to go through, but he remained angry with the treatment he received.

"I'm not against local colour," Nash explained in discussing the song, "but why should you fight me just because you speak differently than I do?" Nash also explained why he chose a picture of the earth from space for the cover of the sheet music for "Immigration Man." "When you look at a photograph of the earth you don't see any borders. That realisation is where our hope as a planet lies." Nash himself became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 1978.

Immigration Man - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bazza]

A DPS Trooper stopped a Chevy 3500 hauling lumber on I-35 in La Salle County earlier this week. During the traffic stop, the driver, William Meza, from Laredo, consented to a search of the vehicle. Troopers discovered five illegal immigrants from Honduras and Mexico hiding within the lumber. Meza was arrested and charged with five counts of smuggling of persons with the likelihood of serious bodily injury or death. Five illegal immigrants were referred to Border Patrol.

So what happens next? Are they sent back, arrested and detained, or released after a hearing in front of a judge?

 

[AWRTR]

A DPS Trooper stopped a Chevy 3500 hauling lumber on I-35 in La Salle County earlier this week. During the traffic stop, the driver, William Meza, from Laredo, consented to a search of the vehicle. Troopers discovered five illegal immigrants from Honduras and Mexico hiding within the lumber. Meza was arrested and charged with five counts of smuggling of persons with the likelihood of serious bodily injury or death. Five illegal immigrants were referred to Border Patrol.

So what happens next? Are they sent back, arrested and detained, or released after a hearing in front of a judge?

I think you know the answer.

 

[Bamaro]

A DPS Trooper stopped a Chevy 3500 hauling lumber on I-35 in La Salle County earlier this week. During the traffic stop, the driver, William Meza, from Laredo, consented to a search of the vehicle. Troopers discovered five illegal immigrants from Honduras and Mexico hiding within the lumber. Meza was arrested and charged with five counts of smuggling of persons with the likelihood of serious bodily injury or death. Five illegal immigrants were referred to Border Patrol.

So what happens next? Are they sent back, arrested and detained, or released after a hearing in front of a judge?

Should result in immediate deportation but probably wont.

 

[Bazza]

A backlog of 2 million asylum cases.......

 

[Huckleberry]

A backlog of 2 million asylum cases.......

The immigration bill blocked by Republicans because Trump told them to:

Unraveling Misinformation About Bipartisan Immigration Bill - FactCheck.org

Even before a bipartisan group of senators unveiled the text of a foreign aid and immigration overhaul bill on Feb. 4, it faced significant opposition from former President Donald Trump and other Republican leaders. We'll explain what was in the legislation and the facts on two popular talking...

www.factcheck.org

The Bill, in Brief
The $118 billion bill, called the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, sought significant changes in border policy. It included money to build more border barriers, to greatly expand detention facilities, and to hire more Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents, asylum officers and immigration judges to reduce the years-long backlog in cases to determine asylum eligibility. It sought to expedite the asylum process, essentially ending — in most cases — the so-called “catch and release” policy whereby migrants are released into the U.S. pending asylum hearings. And it would have increased the standard of evidence needed to win asylum status.

 

[crimsonaudio]

The immigration bill blocked by Republicans because Trump told them to:

Unraveling Misinformation About Bipartisan Immigration Bill - FactCheck.org

Even before a bipartisan group of senators unveiled the text of a foreign aid and immigration overhaul bill on Feb. 4, it faced significant opposition from former President Donald Trump and other Republican leaders. We'll explain what was in the legislation and the facts on two popular talking...

www.factcheck.org

The Bill, in Brief
The $118 billion bill, called the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, sought significant changes in border policy. It included money to build more border barriers, to greatly expand detention facilities, and to hire more Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents, asylum officers and immigration judges to reduce the years-long backlog in cases to determine asylum eligibility. It sought to expedite the asylum process, essentially ending — in most cases — the so-called “catch and release” policy whereby migrants are released into the U.S. pending asylum hearings. And it would have increased the standard of evidence needed to win asylum status.

Regardless as to who told them what, you don't think it had anything to do with the fact that only $20b went to the border while almost $100b went overseas, the bulk of it to Ukraine?

Pork-filled bills like this should all die - in fact, they should be illegal.

 

[Bazza]

The immigration bill blocked by Republicans because Trump told them to:

Unraveling Misinformation About Bipartisan Immigration Bill - FactCheck.org

Even before a bipartisan group of senators unveiled the text of a foreign aid and immigration overhaul bill on Feb. 4, it faced significant opposition from former President Donald Trump and other Republican leaders. We'll explain what was in the legislation and the facts on two popular talking...

www.factcheck.org

The Bill, in Brief
The $118 billion bill, called the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, sought significant changes in border policy. It included money to build more border barriers, to greatly expand detention facilities, and to hire more Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents, asylum officers and immigration judges to reduce the years-long backlog in cases to determine asylum eligibility. It sought to expedite the asylum process, essentially ending — in most cases — the so-called “catch and release” policy whereby migrants are released into the U.S. pending asylum hearings. And it would have increased the standard of evidence needed to win asylum status.

Your party lost the election on this kind of propaganda.

Should have left Trump's policies in place on Day 1 instead of removing them. That's where you went wrong, my brother.

Letting people into the country ILLEGALLY is something the LEGAL migrants here do not like! You let them CUT in line. I've spoken to many and that's what they say....and is why their support went to Donald Trump.

You are fighting a losing battle here, my brother.......

 

[Bazza]

The immigration bill blocked by Republicans because Trump told them to:

Unraveling Misinformation About Bipartisan Immigration Bill - FactCheck.org

Even before a bipartisan group of senators unveiled the text of a foreign aid and immigration overhaul bill on Feb. 4, it faced significant opposition from former President Donald Trump and other Republican leaders. We'll explain what was in the legislation and the facts on two popular talking...

www.factcheck.org

The Bill, in Brief
The $118 billion bill, called the Emergency National Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, sought significant changes in border policy. It included money to build more border barriers, to greatly expand detention facilities, and to hire more Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Border Patrol agents, asylum officers and immigration judges to reduce the years-long backlog in cases to determine asylum eligibility. It sought to expedite the asylum process, essentially ending — in most cases — the so-called “catch and release” policy whereby migrants are released into the U.S. pending asylum hearings. And it would have increased the standard of evidence needed to win asylum status.

This is like saying we need to let more LSU fans into our forum.......and just hire more moderators to handle the problem.

No thanks!

 

[Huckleberry]

Regardless as to who told them what, you don't think it had anything to do with the fact that only $20b went to the border while almost $100b went overseas, the bulk of it to Ukraine?

Pork-filled bills like this should all die - in fact, they should be illegal.

I'd dispute the notion that sending money to Ukraine is "pork", but in general I agree. Filling important bills with pet projects is an abhorrent practice.

 

[Huckleberry]

Your party lost the election on this kind of propaganda.

Should have left Trump's policies in place on Day 1 instead of removing them. That's where you went wrong, my brother.

Letting people into the country ILLEGALLY is something the LEGAL migrants here do not like! You let them CUT in line. I've spoken to many and that's what they say....and is why their support went to Donald Trump.

You are fighting a losing battle here, my brother.......

Not propaganda, but the absolute truth. Trump blocked efforts to deal with the situation you posted.

Was immigration a major issue in the election? Certainly. Could Biden have handled it better? Without a doubt.

Which policies of Trump's should have remained? Building a costly and ineffective wall? Covid-era Green Card restrictions? Increased denial of H-1B visas? Reducing family-based migration?

Of course, Trump's past policies pale in comparison to the threats being proposed now.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Not propaganda, but the absolute truth. Trump blocked efforts to deal with the situation you posted.

Was immigration a major issue in the election? Certainly. Could Biden have handled it better? Without a doubt.

Which policies of Trump's should have remained? Building a costly and ineffective wall? Covid-era Green Card restrictions? Increased denial of H-1B visas? Reducing family-based migration?

Of course, Trump's past policies pale in comparison to the threats being proposed now.

'Remain in Mexico' worked and was upheld by the SCOTUS.

 

[Huckleberry]

'Remain in Mexico' worked and was upheld by the SCOTUS.

Yep, and Biden reinstated it in December 2021after that ruling.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Yep, and Biden reinstated it in December 2021after that ruling.

An updated version that lacked the teeth of the original, yes. MPP 2.0 was built to keep illegal immigrants here.

 

[Huckleberry]

An updated version that lacked the teeth of the original, yes. MPP 2.0 was built to keep illegal immigrants here.

That's true. Biden expanded it to include all Western Hemisphere nationals (except for Mexicans) and humanely allowed those who could prove that there was a “reasonable possibility” of persecution or torture in Mexico to be exempted from the program (they could also contact a lawyer).

Of course, the Supreme Court overturned the lower courts ruling and Biden ended the program (nutty Judge Kacsmaryk's decision notwithstanding). And there's no way Mexico would agree to it again.