Border thread part II


A bill introduced in the Missouri Senate would give residents a $1,000 payout for reporting migrants who entered the country illegally.

The proposal is one of at least seven bills introduced in the state’s legislature to focus on immigration, all sponsored by Republican legislators.

That's some outside-the-box thinking, but I have to say part of me is very uncomfortable with the concept of reporting people to the government. It's a bit Orwellian for my taste.
 



That's some outside-the-box thinking, but I have to say part of me is very uncomfortable with the concept of reporting people to the government. It's a bit Orwellian for my taste.
I can see that becoming very costly very quickly but the results remain murky.
 



That's some outside-the-box thinking, but I have to say part of me is very uncomfortable with the concept of reporting people to the government. It's a bit Orwellian for my taste.
It kind of reminds me of this:
 
It kind of reminds me of this:
This is exactly what I was thinking of. I'm guessing no one bothered to call and report the congress critters who were getting their hair done and going to parties during all this.
 
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It kind of reminds me of this:

I can see how this can easily be abused to harass (or worse) your neighbors or anyone you have a grudge against. ICE could become very busy chasing wild geese. It will be the new "swatting." If "icing" becomes a thing, I want credit and royalties for usage of that term.
 
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Holy insane confessions, Batman! Wow!
 
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The immigration surge since 2021 has been the largest in U.S. history, surpassing even the levels of the late 1800s and early 1900s. Total net migration — the number of people coming to the country minus the number leaving — will likely exceed eight million people over the past four years, government statistics suggest. That number includes both legal and illegal immigration.

Never before has annual net migration been close to two million for an extended period, according to data from the Census Bureau and the Congressional Budget Office.

Even after adjusting for today’s larger population, the surge is slightly larger than that during the peak years of Ellis Island traffic, when millions of Europeans came to the United States.

NYT: An unprecedented surge in immigration
 
Good segment from last night:

Texas Land Commissioner Dawn Buckingham joins "The Hill on NewsNation" to discuss President-elect Donald Trump's mass deportation plans, with Texas pledging support. Buckingham, a Republican, offered 1,400 acres along the Rio Grande for deportation facilities, accepted by incoming border czar Tom Homan, and is now proposing millions more in acreage.

 
Critics of Trump’s mass deportation plans argue that he’s promising to remove millions of immigrants from the U.S. and that’s logistically not possible. But Kobach and other Trump allies think only a portion of those migrants would have to be deported for the effort to succeed.

KOBACH: “Once there’s a massive enforcement effort going on, then a lot of people start leaving on their own.”

“You can put a multiplier on that number, and it’ll be a much greater number. They will start leaving on their own because they don’t want to get arrested. They want to leave on their own terms, and so I don’t know — we don’t know — what that multiplier number is going to be, but there will be one.”

Interesting article:

 
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Critics of Trump’s mass deportation plans argue that he’s promising to remove millions of immigrants from the U.S. and that’s logistically not possible. But Kobach and other Trump allies think only a portion of those migrants would have to be deported for the effort to succeed.

KOBACH: “Once there’s a massive enforcement effort going on, then a lot of people start leaving on their own.”

“You can put a multiplier on that number, and it’ll be a much greater number. They will start leaving on their own because they don’t want to get arrested. They want to leave on their own terms, and so I don’t know — we don’t know — what that multiplier number is going to be, but there will be one.”

Interesting article:

Someone's Palm Beach neighbors are going to wonder why the cost of upkeep of their mansions is rising. Others who don't live at that level will definitely notice the prices of other commodities rising. I know everyone has pointed this out before but it is true that legal US citizens will simply not work for what people doing a lot more jobs than we might realize are paid. I will resent the higher prices and truly feel for others who will truly suffer due to it. I'll just find the Palm Beach types funny. They "winter" here and "summer" in Newport or at "the cottage" at Lake Whatever and vacay in another country. They host charity functions for obscene amounts of money per ticket and have "work done" until their faces no longer look human---- but will still be disgruntled and think it a bother that some of their servants and all of their maintenance services cost more. I already think they're ridiculous, bigoted people so their upset over this will just be funny.
 
Critics of Trump’s mass deportation plans argue that he’s promising to remove millions of immigrants from the U.S. and that’s logistically not possible. But Kobach and other Trump allies think only a portion of those migrants would have to be deported for the effort to succeed.

KOBACH: “Once there’s a massive enforcement effort going on, then a lot of people start leaving on their own.”

“You can put a multiplier on that number, and it’ll be a much greater number. They will start leaving on their own because they don’t want to get arrested. They want to leave on their own terms, and so I don’t know — we don’t know — what that multiplier number is going to be, but there will be one.”

Interesting article:

I didn't read the article, but his premise is undoubtedly correct. The last scare about crackdown, which was pre-Trump, Alabama practically emptied out of unpapered people. The chicken processors over on Sand Mountain couldn't find workers and some shut down. If you needed a new roof, you were out of luck. At the time, I remember thinking that the "mixed family" phenom was a large part of it. Even the "legals" didn't want to be separated from family...
 
I didn't read the article, but his premise is undoubtedly correct. The last scare about crackdown, which was pre-Trump, Alabama practically emptied out of unpapered people. The chicken processors over on Sand Mountain couldn't find workers and some shut down. If you needed a new roof, you were out of luck. At the time, I remember thinking that the "mixed family" phenom was a large part of it. Even the "legals" didn't want to be separated from family...
I think this will be very similar.
 
Someone's Palm Beach neighbors are going to wonder why the cost of upkeep of their mansions is rising. Others who don't live at that level will definitely notice the prices of other commodities rising. I know everyone has pointed this out before but it is true that legal US citizens will simply not work for what people doing a lot more jobs than we might realize are paid. I will resent the higher prices and truly feel for others who will truly suffer due to it. I'll just find the Palm Beach types funny. They "winter" here and "summer" in Newport or at "the cottage" at Lake Whatever and vacay in another country. They host charity functions for obscene amounts of money per ticket and have "work done" until their faces no longer look human---- but will still be disgruntled and think it a bother that some of their servants and all of their maintenance services cost more. I already think they're ridiculous, bigoted people so their upset over this will just be funny.
Talk to a roofing contractor, landscape operators or farmers and they will tell you that trying to hire the class of people who are US citizens and they will tell you that they can be hired but will not show up on time or not at all and are never dressed properly for the weather. These Hispanic workers literally prop up our economy. It is difficult to calculate the impact we will experience.
 
No doubt there are scores of undocumented workers in the country.

But there are MANY MORE migrants here legally....and MANY of those are in the industries mentioned in the above posts.

I know this because I have worked in the trades my whole career. And still do.

We get rid of the garbage first. Way overdue.....

In just 4 weeks, @realDonaldTrump will take office and begin to deliver on his agenda items. Here’s what to expect: 1. Border sealed 2. Criminal illegal aliens deported 3. Relief at the gas pump and grocery store.

 
No doubt there are scores of undocumented workers in the country.

But there are MANY MORE migrants here legally....and MANY of those are in the industries mentioned in the above posts.

I know this because I have worked in the trades my whole career. And still do.

We get rid of the garbage first. Way overdue.....

In just 4 weeks, @realDonaldTrump will take office and begin to deliver on his agenda items. Here’s what to expect: 1. Border sealed 2. Criminal illegal aliens deported 3. Relief at the gas pump and grocery store.

Relief at the gas pump has already come. The best he can do with grocery prices is keep them near where they are now except for a few (ie eggs), they wont be going back down..
 
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Relief at the gas pump has already come. The best he can do with grocery prices is keep them near where they are now except for a few (ie eggs), they wont be going back down..
We will see how far fuel prices can decrease. I’m not convinced they are as low as they can be. If they go down further then there is room for pretty much all goods to come down some. Everything comes on a plane, train, truck, or ship. If the cost of producing and transporting those goods decrease so will the price. We won’t see them where they were, but some decline is possible.
 
We will see how far fuel prices can decrease. I’m not convinced they are as low as they can be. If they go down further then there is room for pretty much all goods to come down some. Everything comes on a plane, train, truck, or ship. If the cost of producing and transporting those goods decrease so will the price. We won’t see them where they were, but some decline is possible.
If he starts the tariff war he's threatening, then you will see increases instead...
 
We will see how far fuel prices can decrease. I’m not convinced they are as low as they can be. If they go down further then there is room for pretty much all goods to come down some. Everything comes on a plane, train, truck, or ship. If the cost of producing and transporting those goods decrease so will the price. We won’t see them where they were, but some decline is possible.
There is already room for other goods to come down, but the companies don't want to give up their increased profit margins.
 
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