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Maurice Smith-Gate; SEC grants waiver to UGA w/ strict guidelines and penalties

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Saban walked out at Toledo after one season. But he expects two years from his assistants? And he almost left us for Texas.

Smart has to do what's best for Georgia. As long as he didn't initiate this, I have no issue with him.


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Kirby is not to blame for this mess and I think it is funny that he hasn't even coach 1 game and Georgia fans and alot of other fans are saying he is going to make Saban quit. He is taking over for a coach that basically won 10 games a season for his career and got run off for an assistant coach with zero head coaching experience. He is doing alot of things down there that most old time fans don't like, so he had better deliver.
 
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Chukker Veteran said:
Loopholes are written into coach's contracts that allow them to not honor the original length of commitment they make when hired.
The same is not done for players. Rather, players are held firmly to the terms as laid out when they signed.

Of course comparing players to coaches is not a very accurate comparison, but the point I'm making seems obvious to me.
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As you point out - it is in the contract. Coaches DO honor their contracts, as do the players. Contracts contain provisions not loopholes, and they are agreed to by both parties. Coaches leave according to the provisions of their contract. Saban has been free to leave Bama (and everywhere else he's coached) at any time with no buyout. Saban and Bama agreed to that provision. Bama and Maurice Smith and his mom agreed to the provision that he is now complaining about. Just go to Miami or one of the other 113 schools that are open to him. Or even go to UGA and sit out a year. All of this according to the contract he agreed to and signed.

Where was the outrage when ND prevented Everett Golson from doing something similar ? ND prevented him from transferring to far more schools than Bama's one. There was some criticism when Smart did the same thing as Saban, but nothing like this. But Kelly and Smart are not Saban and more importantly ND and UGA are not backwoods, racist Alabama. The bigots in the media are having some fun, extracting some vengeance, a few fools have even convinced themselves that they are justified, and others just sit on the sidelines too lazy or too cowardly to tell the truth. It's understandable from fans but not from "the guardians of the the truth" who have much larger megaphones and more responsibility.
 
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Crimson1967 said:
Saban walked out at Toledo after one season. But he expects two years from his assistants? And he almost left us for Texas.

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He became a NFL DC. Not to mention that was over 20 years ago.

What does him almost going to Texas after being at Alabama for seven years have to do with the discussion?


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RTR91 said:
He became a NFL DC. Not to mention that was over 20 years ago.

What does him almost going to Texas after being at Alabama for seven years have to do with the discussion?


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That people are all up in arms about Kirby when Saban has done the same thing in the past. I understand it is part of the business.


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Crimson1967 said:
That people are all up in arms about Kirby when Saban has done the same thing in the past. I understand it is part of the business.


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I'm not sure you understand why people are mad at Kirby if you think Saban's coaching history has something to do with this.


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What does him almost going to Texas after being at Alabama for seven years have to do with the discussion?
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That Mo Smith's free to transfer to the defensive-minded Big 12 and save Charlie Strong's bacon, er, beef?
 
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RTR91 said:
Compare players and head coaches. Comparing an assistant becoming a head coach (step up) to a player is not the same thing.


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it's clear to me I haven't made my point well enough for you to understand what I'm trying to say. A player's situation is obviously different from an assistant coach's situation, or a head coach's situation.

A coach's contract, whether it is for an assistant or a head coach is generally written with more flexibility to make changes than are the signing contracts players agree to.
 
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it's clear to me I haven't made my point well enough for you to understand what I'm trying to say. A player's situation is obviously different from an assistant coach's situation, or a head coach's situation.

A coach's contract, whether it is for an assistant or a head coach is generally written with more flexibility to make changes than are the signing contracts players agree to.
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Because the school gets something in return.

What can a school get when a player transfers?


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Crimson1967 said:
Saban walked out at Toledo after one season. But he expects two years from his assistants? And he almost left us for Texas.

Smart has to do what's best for Georgia. As long as he didn't initiate this, I have no issue with him.


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Smart has not coached a down yet at Georgia. Furthermore, he's where he is because of Saban and 9 yrs at Alabama. Sure he needs to what's best for Georgia but poaching one of our potential starters is not the way to do it.
 
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deliveryman35 said:
Smart has not coached a down yet at Georgia. Furthermore, he's where he is because of Saban and 9 yrs at Alabama. Sure he needs to what's best for Georgia but poaching one of our potential starters is not the way to do it.
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I would point out that CKS seems to think a hell of a lot more of MS than he did last season. His shenanigans in this affair really approach "scorched earth."
 
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TIDE-HSV said:
I would point out that CKS seems to think a hell of a lot more of MS than he did last season. His shenanigans in this affair really approach "scorched earth."
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Yes, that aspect is unfortunate. Maybe the need in Athens is greater?
Also, is it me or was MS late in letting it be known he wanted to go to Georgia. I mean, Kirby Smart obviously knows the Bama defense, but the longer MS stays into the design and implementation of the changes under the new regime,the more damaging his transfer will be to Bama.

It is at times like this that I am glad I do not have ESPN.
 
Re: Maurice Smith Transferring; Alabama will not grant release to UGA

Did Smart leave on less than pleasant terms?


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Maurice Smith Transferring; Alabama will not grant release to UGA

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Did Smart leave on less than pleasant terms?


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There's been talk of that mainly based on Smart spending more time in Georgia (than Saban wanted him to) after the MSU game. What followed Smart spending more time away from Bama was the worse defensive performance of the season. Of course we played a highly skilled offense in the NC game but I think we can all agree the defense wasn't quite as prepared as usual. Some media members at the NC game said Smart left the game/venue as quickly as possible once the game was over. After all that was several heated recruiting battles between Smart and Saban. That was to be expected but I think when you add everything up + this Maurice Smith incident there may be a little bad blood at this point..
 
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I just don't understand how or why these coaches tend to turn on one another so soon. I really don't understand the mentality of turning on a mentor. Sure compete but keep it within bounds. I wonder if some of this is directed at CJP? I know he supposedly burned some bridges when he left but now he is back. I don't know that he and Kirby got along that we'll while at Bama. It all seems very petty imo.

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Crimson1967 said:
Saban walked out at Toledo after one season. But he expects two years from his assistants? And he almost left us for Texas.

Smart has to do what's best for Georgia. As long as he didn't initiate this, I have no issue with him.


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I'm not connected to the program by any means but I really don't think CNS was remotely close to being a shorthorn. My take on that is Jimmy Sexton and Miss Terry played the cards dealt to bump up the salary. And I'm good with that. It's definitely worth every dollar, and then some. Although I think CNS was aware of the media banter and trips to Texas he didn't let it distract him very much from his laser focus.

And I have no idea why Maurice chose to leave. Could be he's one of those guys who didn't like changes and/or coaching style CJP practices. He has his degree and I commend him for that. But IMO he shouldn't expect to be able to follow CKS or go to an SEC school AT ALL. The fact that Chris Black's transfer fell through the cracks at the busiest time of the season should have no consideration what so ever in this scenario.

Man am I ready for some Bama Football!!!!

RTR!!!
 
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I've heard some rumblings that it isn't Kirby he's trying to follow, it's Mel Tucker. There are a few reasons that makes more sense to me.

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I'm fairly certain that there are rules against speaking to a player or his family about a transfer before he's actually released. To put this on Kirby seems unreasonable.
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I think it a bit naive to think CKS has had no contact with Smith. It looks like tampering to me.
 
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