Bama Game Thread: Official Postgame Thread - Bama vs. Michigan...

[crimsonaudio]

I'm not happy about the loss, but I'm also a bit taken aback by the reactions some are having here.

Didn't we go undefeated in the SEC, vanquish UGA, and win the SEC?

I'd say we had a darn good season all things considered.

Depends entirely whether you grade based strictly on results or on the process that gets you there.

 

[editder]

While I agree and have said the same thing about the swing pass, it was never a RPO. CNS said in the post game presser it was a straight QB run the whole way. Passing to Roydell was never an "option" cause it was a QB run the whole way. The play just failed on multiple levels from the snap to Latham getting manhandled to Jalen not veering to the left behind the pulling right guard.

That’s what I was saying, that he should have run to the left. We’re in agreement.

 

[jthomas666]

We are spoiled fans. I'll be first in line to admit it.

But now that we can look back with 20/20 hindsight the limitations are rather alarming.

This will always be an SEC championship team. RTR to that. The question is can this type of offense work again now that the blueprint is out on what to do to stop it and can it get us to the top again to win a NC???

Them's the questions IMO.

IMO, the key question is how do we fix the OL as a unit? Until we solve that, it's gonna be hard to address the other problems.

 

[GrayTide]

I agree totally with jthomas. You can review the game and pick out individual plays that may or may not have changed the outcome, but all those plays aside, the single biggest reason for the loss is both the OL and DL got manhandled. With the current OL's performance it really makes no difference who the QB is. As I have said quite a few times; is our recruiting as good as we are led to believe,? It maybe at certain positions, but I really believe OL recruitment and development are about mid SEC level. It is pure folly to believe JM can be made into a Tua or Mack level QB.

 

[Cruloc]

We are not talking "sky is falling." We are talking about fixing what limited us. For every big play this year, there's a unforgivable mistake that limited the offense all year long.

Sky is falling would be we can't compete in the SEC next year. The sky is the limit is improving to win the SEC again and advance to 12 team play off and win it all.

Right now, we are way above "sky if falling" and somewhere below "the sky is the limit."

RTR!

You have to remember, some here label any criticism of the team or coaches as "sky is falling" or "Eeyore" mentality.

Doesn't matter that we have a real shot every year.

Going into 2024 we'll have a shot again. But with Texas and Oklahoma coming in, the margins are much thinner. QB and C play have to be better.

 

[Tidelines]

Depends entirely whether you grade based strictly on results or on the process that gets you there.

Profound statement

 

[JDCrimson]

Out of a 15 game possible season our talent alone should get us 8 may be 9 wins. Im not diminshing the coaching effort in these games but talent advantage overcomes the potential loss a high percentage of the time.

For the remaining 6-7 games include a SECX and 2 CFP games. During this 6-7 game schedule the order of magnitude for player performance and coaching performance increase.

We finished 4-2 in this schedule and didn't compete in a 7th game. When you break it down this way, what must you have in order to finish 7-0 or 6-1 with a NC? I don't think Milroe has the skills to deliver this result.

And this should be how you define the starter. Maybe he was the best candidate to carry us through this year. After the Michigan game, without improvement, UGA collapses the pocket from all directions preventing any QB runs and takes their chances without a spy and plays prevent defense in the secondary. If this gameplan against Milroe going forward, I believe he is a 2-2 QB in 7 game possible schedule. That is not a Heisman candidate imo.

 

[81usaf92]

Out of a 15 game possible season our talent alone should get us 8 may be 9 wins. Im not diminshing the coaching effort in these games but talent advantage overcomes the potential loss a high percentage of the time.

For the remaining 6-7 games include a SECX and 2 CFP games. During this 6-7 game schedule the order of magnitude for player performance and coaching performance increase.

We finished 4-2 in this schedule and didn't compete in a 7th game. When you break it down this way, what must you have in order to finish 7-0 or 6-1 with a NC? I don't think Milroe has the skills to deliver this result.

And this should be how you define the starter. Maybe he was the best candidate to carry us through this year. After the Michigan game, without improvement, UGA collapses the pocket from all directions preventing any QB runs and takes their chances without a spy and plays prevent defense in the secondary. If this gameplan against Milroe going forward, I believe he is a 2-2 QB in 7 game possible schedule. That is not a Heisman candidate imo.

Well we are going to have 2 September games in which a team is going to be able to mimic what both Texas and Michigan did against us. I know most are already counting our trip to Camp Randall as a win but I can guarantee you that it’s going to be a once in a lifetime crowd there that day and Fickle is a smart defensive coach.

Then you have Georgia…. I really don’t think Georgia makes the same mistake when facing Milroe a second time in double spying him.

The Michigan game really makes the SECCG game look like a “it was just our day not to mess up on offense” and the Texas game to be the truth about our offense. We are a team that tops out at 27 against teams with a good to decent defense and that is not because we run the ball either.

 

[BamaBuc]

If that was the OC call, it was terrible...

Now we find out it wasn't the call, but an errant snap caused the problem...! So what's new...! One of the WR's - Kobe Prentice I think - cleared that up, the player it was supposed to go to - on an RPO - was wide open, but Jalen didn't have time to do anything, bad snap + O-Line inability led to a one yd. run into a wall...

 

[BamaMoon]

Now we find out it wasn't the call, but an errant snap caused the problem...! So what's new...! One of the WR's - Kobe Prentice I think - cleared that up, the player it was supposed to go to - on an RPO - was wide open, but Jalen didn't have time to do anything, bad snap + O-Line inability led to a one yd. run into a wall...

Where are you getting this info? CNS said it was a called QB run. Is Kobe Prentice questioning CNS? Passing it to Roydell was NOT the play call.

Maybe KP is saying what many others have said. Roydell walks into the EZ more than likely if that was the play call. But it was not.

 

[crimsonaudio]

Where are you getting this info? CNS said it was a called QB run.

I'm not convinced Saban didn't offer this rather than throwing players under the bus (Seth's bad snap, Jalen's panicked response)...

 

[BamaMoon]

I'm not convinced Saban didn't offer this rather than throwing players under the bus (Seth's bad snap, Jalen's panicked response)...

Perhaps, but he sure built a big narrative around it as he described the good look they had before the first time out, the bad look when we took the second time out and then how the play would have worked if executed correctly.

The incredible is the decoy (Roydell) was the easiest way into the EZ if we just swing it out to him on time and in stride.

So it's no surprised (and it wasn't to UM) that we'd resorted to Jalen's legs instead of his arm.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

Where are you getting this info? CNS said it was a called QB run. Is Kobe Prentice questioning CNS? Passing it to Roydell was NOT the play call.

Maybe KP is saying what many others have said. Roydell walks into the EZ more than likely if that was the play call. But it was not.

BamaBuc was correct.

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/...ichigan-a-cfp-semifinal-at-the-rose-bowl.html

“We were trying to take advantage of the looks they were giving us at the end,” Prentice told AL.com in the locker room. “That’s what it was. It was supposed to be a bubble (screen) coming out of the backfield by the back. A read (or choice) but, you know, stuff just kind of happened.

 

[Bamaro]

SIAP but is it possible that our centers problems were forced by actions of the defensive players by making him somehow rush the snap by their actions? Maybe film showed them some issues that they were able to exploit.

 

[BamaMoon]

BamaBuc was correct.

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/...ichigan-a-cfp-semifinal-at-the-rose-bowl.html

I'm super confused because the video is of Coach and Jalen saying it was a run play all the way. No mention of a swing pass to Roydell.

 

[PA Tide Fan]

I'm super confused because the video is of Coach and Jalen saying it was a run play all the way. No mention of a swing pass to Roydell.

I think crimsonaudio was correct when he said Saban didn't want to throw anyone under the bus. If Saban would have said it was supposed to be a pass to Williams then it leads to a rather embarrassing question for Milroe which is " Why didn't you even look towards Williams when you picked the ball up?"

 

[RammerJammer14]

The TV numbers are in. As you would of thought they're good. 27.2 million viewers for the playoffs are the most since 2014. Most watched non-NFL event since 2018..

Bama is the king of college football, no matter how it plays out on the field.

 

[RammerJammer14]

Perhaps, but he sure built a big narrative around it as he described the good look they had before the first time out, the bad look when we took the second time out and then how the play would have worked if executed correctly.

The incredible is the decoy (Roydell) was the easiest way into the EZ if we just swing it out to him on time and in stride.

So it's no surprised (and it wasn't to UM) that we'd resorted to Jalen's legs instead of his arm.

Thing is, the RB in the flat is a pass that Milroe either fails to hit a lot of the time (happened earlier in this game) or takes too long to throw so the defense recovers and forces a short to no gain play (also happened a few times this game). So while Roydell may have theoretically had the best chance to score, I’d have been really nervous when that pass came out.

 

[RammerJammer14]

One more thing I wanted to say about this game. Will Reichard is a baller and there is no doubt in my mind that if we could have gotten him into FG position on our final drive, he was going to win this game for us. From 50+ yards too. No doubt. I am going to miss him in Crimson but am thankful he came back for this season and got that NCAA record. I hope he gets drafted and kills it in the NFL for years to come.

 

[SkullDuckery]

Perhaps, but he sure built a big narrative around it as he described the good look they had before the first time out, the bad look when we took the second time out and then how the play would have worked if executed correctly.

The incredible is the decoy (Roydell) was the easiest way into the EZ if we just swing it out to him on time and in stride.

So it's no surprised (and it wasn't to UM) that we'd resorted to Jalen's legs instead of his arm.

Making that play is not a given with Milroe, like it was with Bryce, Mac, or Tua. He missed an easy swing pass earlier in the game to #26. Just put the ball way to out in front of him.