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I disagree with this, on two fronts really. First, I love big OOC games. Yes, sometimes you lose them, but I love those games. But that's just my personal opinion on scheduling.

More importantly to your argument, though, I don't think we have to run the table to make the playoff. Let's say we lose one regular season conference game and make it to the SECCG where we play Georgia and win. We would be a 11-2 SEC champ. That's getting us into the playoff most likely. I know that there has never been a 2 loss team in the playoff but I remember the discussion that Auburn would make it in 2017 if they had beaten UGA in the SECCG, so who knows. This will be the last year that matters anyway.
Your scenario is not impossible but I think we'd need another conference champion somewhere that also has 2 losses. I don't think beating UGA would eliminate other conference champions with 0 or 1 loss.
 

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Since they kept emphasizing the fumble by texas wasn't a fumble but a "muffed" ball, I have a question. If Alabama had recovered the ball beyond the line of scrimmage what would they have been credited with?
 
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Crimson Speed

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1. Texas DL was better than our OL.
2. Texas OL was better than our DL.
3. Milroe is not a good QB against a good team.
4. Its good that I dont take football as seriously as I once did.
5. We are going to struggle against every good team we play....Ole Miss, A&M, LSU, Tennessee. I could honestly see us losing at least 3 with our QB play.
6. Unless we have an absolute multitude of miracles, we'll have our first class come through without a national title.
7. I'm on to another beer.
The OL and DL will improve. Not so sure that they will be what everyone expected for this season, but improvements will come.
Milroe, in my opinion is a serious issue. Superior QBs have the God given ability to see the field and make good, quick decisions. I don't think Milroe has that ability and I don't think he will ever get there.
Tennessee and Ole Miss are going to be a struggle for sure. Tennessee is for real and I question if we can improve to the point of competing against them. That game could be embarrassing for us. I'm not sure about A&M and LSU because it is really too early in the season.
 

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I feel your frustration; I really do. And if college football were the same as it was just a few years ago, I would agree, but it isn’t. NIL and the quitter hole have turned college football into a damned minor league system for the NFL.

recruiting rankings don’t mean much when college football has what is basically a free agency system. And make No mistake, I absolutely HATE this.
I completely agree. NIL has been awful for college football and it will likely get worse in the future. How can a coach develop young players when they turn tail and run somewhere else because they did not get what they thought was enough playing time. These young players think "it is all about me" and not what is best for the team.
Lets face it. The NIL is about player bribery. The teams with the biggest purses will win this battle. How can we compete? All that oil money in Texas is going to make them a powerhouse for years to come.
 

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Since they kept emphasizing the fumble by texas wasn't a fumble but a "muffed" ball, I have a question. If Alabama had recovered the ball beyond the line of scrimmage what would they have been credited with?
Alabama (defense) would have been credited with a fumble recovery; offense would have been credited with a fumble lost. It would not have mattered whether it was beyond the line of scrimmage or not.
 

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Milroe might be a good fit as a running back.
No, not really. If he has tunnel vision and locks on to receivers and doesnt make decisions throwing the ball, then what makes you think he would be a good running back? He would need to have good vision and anticipation as a runner. He also lacks the physicality needed to run between the tackles.
 

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It's no secret I am not a DD fan at all, but I can't really fault him for that penalty. JM is a runner, and was way out of the pocket and it certainly seemed likely he was running on that play. DD was trying to get out there to block for him, and to his credit, was busting his butt to try to get there. Sucks it was a penalty, but on a busted play with all that going on, can't really put all of that on him...
Fair point. Honestly, the penalty was among the least of the young man's problems last night.
 

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A few unconnected thoughts:

1. While most of the comments here about the problems on offense, and rightly so, I think the total absence of a pash rush last night is just as alarming. Ewers' jersey looked like it had just come out of the dryer at the end of the game. As good as our secondary is, there's no way they could hold up when a quality QB is utterly unbothered in the pocket and has elite WRs to throw to.

2. Kudos to Sark for crediting Saban for saving his career (and his life) after the game. He was on the skids when he entered the Saban Home for Wayward Coaches, and the rigorous annual physical Saban requires of his assistants revealed a heart problem that needed surgery. Full credit to him for a well-prepared team and an outstanding game plan.

3. Interesting how the units for TX that essentially won them the game are coached by former Bama assistants. Key for the OL and Bo Davis for the DL. As for Sark's other ex-UA assistant, at least our kicking team outperformed Stripper Monkey Guy's unit.

4. How will you feel if the same OL and QB get the vast majority of run on Saturday?
 

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A few unconnected thoughts:

1. While most of the comments here about the problems on offense, and rightly so, I think the total absence of a pash rush last night is just as alarming. Ewers' jersey looked like it had just come out of the dryer at the end of the game. As good as our secondary is, there's no way they could hold up when a quality QB is utterly unbothered in the pocket and has elite WRs to throw to.

2. Kudos to Sark for crediting Saban for saving his career (and his life) after the game. He was on the skids when he entered the Saban Home for Wayward Coaches, and the rigorous annual physical Saban requires of his assistants revealed a heart problem that needed surgery. Full credit to him for a well-prepared team and an outstanding game plan.

3. Interesting how the units for TX that essentially won them the game are coached by former Bama assistants. Key for the OL and Bo Davis for the DL. As for Sark's other ex-UA assistant, at least our kicking team outperformed Stripper Monkey Guy's unit.

4. How will you feel if the same OL and QB get the vast majority of run on Saturday?
Did you mean Kyle Flood as Oline coach? Brent Key (former Alabama Oline coach) is the head coach at Georgia Tech.

As to #4, whatever CNS chooses to do is on him. Two games into the season (8 quarters) is a pretty good body of work. The problems we saw on o line were there versus MTSU. Most of us chalked it up to MTSU’s “sell out” style of defense and it being their first game as a unit. Clearly there are issues. As to the QB role, I expect this to be “the audition part 2”.

Coach Saban makes $10 million a year and winning football games is part of that. At the end of the day the performance of the team, good or bad, is his responsibility. Coach Saban said as much when he opened his post game press conference on Saturday night.

Coach Bryant often said “the biggest improvement you normally see with a team is between the first and second game”. If that is truly the case, and that was our “improved” version, we’ve got a long way to go.

So how would I feel about remaining “status quo” in the USF game? Probably not very good but that really doesn’t matter. Coach Saban isn’t going to change anything based on my feelings. The real question is how is Coach Saban going to “feel”‘ rolling out that same line up Saturday afternoon? Does he feel they improved enough to play winning football in the SEC? If at around 6:30 pm the answer is “maybe” or “no”, then he has a whole different mess of fish to fry. And he gets paid $10 million a year to fry those fish.
 
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A few unconnected thoughts:

1. While most of the comments here about the problems on offense, and rightly so, I think the total absence of a pash rush last night is just as alarming. Ewers' jersey looked like it had just come out of the dryer at the end of the game. As good as our secondary is, there's no way they could hold up when a quality QB is utterly unbothered in the pocket and has elite WRs to throw to.

2. Kudos to Sark for crediting Saban for saving his career (and his life) after the game. He was on the skids when he entered the Saban Home for Wayward Coaches, and the rigorous annual physical Saban requires of his assistants revealed a heart problem that needed surgery. Full credit to him for a well-prepared team and an outstanding game plan.

3. Interesting how the units for TX that essentially won them the game are coached by former Bama assistants. Key for the OL and Bo Davis for the DL. As for Sark's other ex-UA assistant, at least our kicking team outperformed Stripper Monkey Guy's unit.

4. How will you feel if the same OL and QB get the vast majority of run on Saturday?
I'm just going to comment on points #1 and #2:

Our defense held up well IMO. We had held them to ONLY 13 points until the 13.56 mark of the 4th quarter, at which point we had taken the lead 16-13!!! They score quickly to get to 20, and they only got to 27 points about 1 minute later because of the awful JM throw that resulted in an INT returned deep in our territory.

#2 relates to point 1 in that our defense had to continually drop 7-8 into coverage because we were going against the best schemer and playcaller in college football in Sark. We chose to drop and try to cover and he still made us look silly at times. Yeah, I wish we might have blitzed more too, but then you are covering with even fewer and the risk is a big play/TD and our staff understood we don't have a QB that can produce drives/points to play keep up.

It was the classic case of "you've got to choose your poison." What we chose worked until it didn't and the dam broke in the 4th quarter.
 

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so it was a fumble, but not really somehow
In both cases it is indeed a “fumble”. The “muffed” relates to “possession”. For example a “muffed punt” is a fumble in which the receiver never clearly gains possession. If that same receiver catches it, gains possession advances it, it considered a fumble at that point. This then determines if the recovering team can advance it.

In the play on Saturday, because it was a fourth down play, if Ewers would have taken the snap, possessed the ball, then dropped it, by rule only he could have picked it up and advanced it. Because it was a “muff” of a backwards pass (center snap) , it was considered a “free ball” and it could be recovered and advance by anyone.

EDIT: King - this rule was primarily put in place to prevent an offensive player from intentionally “fumbling a ball forward” to a teammate or out of bounds to gain first down or “intentionally” fumbling into the end zone to a teammate in order to score. That is the reason “possession” has to be determined because it was fourth down and had Ewers “gained control” and possessed the ball, only he would have been allowed to recover and advance it.
 
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Now a couple days later....I'll say this...

I think the D is better than the last few years, but going up against Sark is a tough one. He's one of, if not the best, at setting up plays to make defenses look stupid. The only real issue on D was the lack of pressure. We got no sacks and no interceptions....that's unacceptable.

I think our OL is good at run blocking, but pass blocking not so much. However, I think a lot of pressure is put on them by Milroe not being able to read the field. The biggest issue besides Milroe at QB is....why do our RB's keep getting obliterated on blitz pickup?

Its going to be worrying to me if we don't see Buchner and Simpson, and maybe even Lonergan getting meaningful work against USF. I also hope we don't hear a peep out of those offensive linemen about what they want to do ever again.
 

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A few unconnected thoughts:

1. While most of the comments here about the problems on offense, and rightly so, I think the total absence of a pash rush last night is just as alarming. Ewers' jersey looked like it had just come out of the dryer at the end of the game. As good as our secondary is, there's no way they could hold up when a quality QB is utterly unbothered in the pocket and has elite WRs to throw to.

2. Kudos to Sark for crediting Saban for saving his career (and his life) after the game. He was on the skids when he entered the Saban Home for Wayward Coaches, and the rigorous annual physical Saban requires of his assistants revealed a heart problem that needed surgery. Full credit to him for a well-prepared team and an outstanding game plan.

3. Interesting how the units for TX that essentially won them the game are coached by former Bama assistants. Key for the OL and Bo Davis for the DL. As for Sark's other ex-UA assistant, at least our kicking team outperformed Stripper Monkey Guy's unit.

4. How will you feel if the same OL and QB get the vast majority of run on Saturday?
1. Yes, I thought Sark put on a clinic demonstrating how to keep a defense off balance and how to make the defense defend the entire field. I think our defense will be pretty good this year, but by the fourth quarter they looked like the abominable snow monster after his teeth had been pulled in the old Rudolph claymation show.
2. Things like that are much more important than football, so that was good to hear.
3. There are a lot of coaches out there now who know Saban's ways. He has always tried to help his assistants better themselves in their careers. Essentially, we no longer show up with any surprises. We are now an open book, and we have to execute incredibly well to win. We no longer seem to have the discipline required to execute very well, so I hope we can get it back.
4. I'm not sure. If all of the competitions were as close as they say they were in fall camp, I would think some other guys need opportunities to show what they can do. However, only the coaches' opinions matter.
Roll Tide!
 
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Our defense held up well IMO. We had held them to ONLY 13 points until the 13.56 mark of the 4th quarter, at which point we had taken the lead 16-13!!!
I understand what you are saying but, unfortunately those final 13:56 count and the defense failed to do much of anything when we needed it most. Texas had the ball for about 10 of that final 14 minutes.
 

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