Political ramifications for Trump assassination attempt part II

[crimsonaudio]

For a couple hundred years, woman and minorities were dismissed out of hand as possibilities for high offices. Stating that it's about time that qualified people from those groups should finally be chosen isn't something to be ridiculed. If Sandra Day O'Conner and Kamala Harris weren't as qualified as any male, then critics would have a point. Those milestones should be celebrated rather than demeaned. No more-deserving white male was left out when those choices were made.

No one is demeaning them - just because I'm saying they *might* not be the most deserving doesn't mean they aren't. That the determination was made to exclude a huge proportion of the populace based on the very things these people were once held back doesn't make it right. "Two wrongs don't make a right" is a common phrase for a reason. Laws now exist keeping people from hiring based on these principles - if someone is found choosing based on skin color, sex, etc - use the law.

Choosing someone based on skin color or sex is wrong. Period. It's incredible that modern progressives only see that as a one way valve.

 

[crimsonaudio]

All of this makes the assumption that there is a Nick Saban type who is obviously the best for the job.

Not at all - it's assumes there might be someone out there that doesn't fit the profile that is better. I don't care if you only want to hire white people, black people, men, women - I don't care what your preference is, it's wrong. You hire based on merit alone or you're stooping to the same level as those who would post 'whites only' signs.

It's literally no different, regardless as to the pretzel logic one employs. No one should be excluded from a position based on skin color or sex - it's really hard to believe we're even talking about this in 2024.

 

[Crimson1967]

Yeah but they didn’t begin to protect the president until Teddy Roosevelt. Basically three presidents were assassinated before the Secret Service started protecting the President…. Remember Lincoln was the first to be killed.

The first assassination attempt of a president was in 1835. A house painter twice pointed a gun at Andrew Jackson and both guns misfired. Jackson (who was 67 at the time) then began to beat him with his cane. The would be killer had to be rescued by Davy Crocket. The painter was found insane (he thought he was Richard III) and lived out his days in the same hospital that John Hinkley once called home.

 

[jthomas666]

You don't think there is anyone more qualified than Kamala? Really? It wasn't that long ago I was reading about the Dems claiming they had a "deep bench." If Kamala is the best there is ...

Given that one of the qualifications is to appeal to women and people of color, who else would you suggest?

 

[CrimsonJazz]

No one should be excluded from a position based on skin color or sex - it's really hard to believe we're even talking about this in 2024.

By dint of the fact that we are talking about it is undeniable proof that this country is regressing. Racism is racism, no matter the color of the recipient. I’ve seen some amazing rationalizations from people who disagree.

 

[Bamaro]

You don't think there is anyone more qualified than Kamala? Really? It wasn't that long ago I was reading about the Dems claiming they had a "deep bench." If Kamala is the best there is ...

Maybe somebody could clarify but in 2020 didn't Biden pledge to pick either a female or a minority? Harris was a twofer (for the record I was hoping he would pick Amy). FWIW, she probably had and has the qualifications to be president. Vance really doesn't and neither did trump (and that quickly became obvious). Whether you like her policies or not, Harris is qualified. However I'm not too sure what she brings to the table politically as a replacement Biden. I think the Dems can and should do better.

 

[Bodhisattva]

Given that one of the qualifications is to appeal to women and people of color, who else would you suggest?

Sounds like liberals are sexist and/or racist.

 

[colbysullivan]

The fact that ostensibly intelligent people don’t realize DEI is inherently exclusive is mind-boggling to me.

 

[Bamaro]

Given that one of the qualifications is to appeal to women and people of color, who else would you suggest?

Amy and Wes Moore would cover all those bases.

 

[81usaf92]

One thing I will say… Republicans pick way better music for conventions than Democrats. Now I’m going to turn off the RNC before I start hating good music because Trump starts to claim it as a theme song.

 

[DzynKingRTR]

One thing I will say… Republicans pick way better music for conventions than Democrats. Now I’m going to turn off the RNC before I start hating good music because Trump starts to claim it as a theme song.

democrats listen to nickelback

 

[Huckleberry]

No one is demeaning them - just because I'm saying they *might* not be the most deserving doesn't mean they aren't. That the determination was made to exclude a huge proportion of the populace based on the very things these people were once held back doesn't make it right. "Two wrongs don't make a right" is a common phrase for a reason. Laws now exist keeping people from hiring based on these principles - if someone is found choosing based on skin color, sex, etc - use the law.

Choosing someone based on skin color or sex is wrong. Period. It's incredible that modern progressives only see that as a one way valve.

I'm not sure that I qualify as a modern progressive (I voted for every Republican nominee from Reagan to Romney and first voted for a Democrat for president in 2020), but I'd like to note that I agree that, all things being equal, choosing someone based on gender, race, sexual orientation, and/or religious belief is absolutely wrong. However, it's disingenuous to assert that there's a level playing field across the board.

In theory, the aim of DEI should be to make things fair and equitable for everyone so that eventually opportunities will be fairly available to all qualified individuals. If some have used DEI to discriminate and promote/hire/admit undeserving people, then that's wrong and should be corrected. However, to discount the need to address existing inequities in government, business, and education is to refuse to recognize the long-standing bias in these systems. If color (and gender) blindness is really the goal, then let's strive to reach the point where those things truly don't matter.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Florida man arrested after allegedly making death threats against Biden

A Florida man was arrested Monday and charged with making threats against President Biden and other federal officials, the Justice Department said.

www.cbsnews.com

A Florida man was arrested Monday and charged with making threats against President Biden and other federal officials, according to the Justice Department.

Jason Alday, 39, allegedly made threats against Mr. Biden on June 25 from a mental health facility in Tallahassee, Florida, and in a series of social media posts in late June and July, after he was released from a different hospital. He was ordered detained pending trial, according to the Justice Department.

Court filings state that the Secret Service received a call from an intake coordinator at the mental health facility about Alday, who told an agent that during the intake process, he stated, "I don't like President Biden. I want to kill him, slit his throat."

The coordinator said Alday had been transported to another hospital in Tallahassee for medical attention that was not related to mental health concerns, according to an affidavit filed with the federal district court in North Florida.

A Secret Service agent, accompanied by deputies with the Gadsden County Sheriff's Office, interviewed Alday on July 1 at his parents house. He said he couldn't recall making statements about Mr. Biden when he was at the mental health facility, according to the court filing. He also denied making the threatening remark about the president but acknowledged that he did not like Mr. Biden, the affidavit from a Secret Service agent stated.


On July 11, the Secret Service found several posts by an unidentified user to the social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter, targeting Mr. Biden, the court filing states. One post from July 11 read, "I'll kill joe biden today!!" and another, shared on June 30, stated, "sources: Joe biden's health is declining rapidly. Not doing too good at all. Should I finish him off?"

 

[CrimsonJazz]

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In theory, the aim of DEI should be to make things fair and equitable for everyone so that eventually opportunities will be fairly available to all qualified individuals. If some have used DEI to discriminate and promote/hire/admit undeserving people, then that's wrong and should be corrected. However, to discount the need to address existing inequities in government, business, and education is to refuse to recognize the long-standing bias in these systems. If color (and gender) blindness is really the goal, then let's strive to reach the point where those things truly don't matter.

Meritocracy is about fairness and equitability. DEI only exists to flip the script and create a different set of winners and losers. That’s all it has ever intended to do. God knows, I don’t want to go back to the good ole boy network (regardless of which demographic this is applied to.)

 

[Go Bama]

Not at all - it's assumes there might be someone out there that doesn't fit the profile that is better. I don't care if you only want to hire white people, black people, men, women - I don't care what your preference is, it's wrong. You hire based on merit alone or you're stooping to the same level as those who would post 'whites only' signs.

It's literally no different, regardless as to the pretzel logic one employs. No one should be excluded from a position based on skin color or sex - it's really hard to believe we're even talking about this in 2024.

No one is saying you don't hire on merit. No one. I hire on merit. I think Joe Biden hired on merit.

Is anyone more qualified for transportation than Pete Buttigieg that isn't gay? You used to sing his praises when he was a presidential candidate.

Was there a male VP candidate that was more qualified to help Joe Biden win the election the Kamala?
Maybe she helped, maybe she didn't but Biden won so he was probably happy with his pick. I'm still in the camp that think she's done a good job, and if she is the nominee, I will vote for her over Trump in a heartbeat.

What about Anthony Blinken? Was he hired because he's white?

Go through the cabinet and take your pick. There are some I like, one I'm iffy on (he's a white guy), others I don't know much about, but by my estimation, Biden's cabinet as a group has done a stellar job. Many will disagree, but I find the claim that Biden didn't hire on merit weak. The proof of the pudding is in the tasting as they say.

Agree to disagree if you like. I do agree it's hard to believe we're talking about this in 2024.

 

[crimsonaudio]

No one is saying you don't hire on merit. No one. I hire on merit. I think Joe Biden hired on merit.

But you aren't hiring purely on merit when you exclude people based on sex, race, etc. You're getting the best you can from a limited pool.

It's literally no different than if you only allowed white females to apply for your jobs. You wouldn't select a poor candidate, you'd select the best you could find in that pool - but you would never know if they were the best person for that job since you excluded a huge swath of potential employees based on your initial biases.

But if you came on here trying to claim you hired purely on merit while refusing to even talk to people of color, you'd be run out on rails. Racism and sexism are racism and sexism, period.

 

[Go Bama]

But you aren't hiring purely on merit when you exclude people based on sex, race, etc. You're getting the best you can from a limited pool.

It's literally no different than if you only allowed white females to apply for your jobs. You wouldn't select a poor candidate, you'd select the best you could find in that pool - but you would never know if they were the best person for that job since you excluded a huge swath of potential employees based on your initial biases.

But if you came on here trying to claim you hired purely on merit while refusing to even talk to people of color, you'd be run out on rails. Racism and sexism are racism and sexism, period.

I agree with everything you said. Not defending exclusion at all. I just feel it is also important for our government to look like the population it represents. Otherwise, a lot of people will feel like their group has been excluded from the talent pool. It has been that way for a very long time. On paper, you are absolutely correct. In the real world, eh…maybe.

 

[Go Bama]

One thing I will say… Republicans pick way better music for conventions than Democrats. Now I’m going to turn off the RNC before I start hating good music because Trump starts to claim it as a theme song.

I’d love for Trump to lose I’m Proud to be an American.

 

[CrimsonNagus]

On social media they are calling Trump's bandage the "MyPillow Mini".



Then you have the idiots wearing fake bandages at the RNC to show support. This really is just a MAGA cult.

 

[Crimson1967]

I have Trumpie Facebook all upset over people joking about the shooting and people wishing the guy had better aim.

While I agree such comments are tasteless I don’t think for one second they would complain if it had happened to Biden. Not after I have seen jokes for four years about his health issues. Or after all the Brandon posts.