Time to put McElroy in!!

[Blitzkrieg]

Bama v/s FSU. FSU starting QB not doing well. Struggling big time. CBB puts in 3rd string QB (I'm thinking a freshman as well, i may be wrong) and he's the difference in the ballgame and FSU gets the W.

FSU 3rd QB is Ponder, redshirt freshman, from Colleyville HS. About 1.5 miles from Mcelroy's Southlake Carroll. Interestingly, he ranked well below Mcelroy in '04, although he played for 3 years...starting for two. So much for CBB innovation...refreshing!

 

[lafella]

When it comes down to it, we can hiss, stomp, praise, and dispair against JPW or Mac. It won't change the fact CNS obviously sees something terrible in our other QB's to allow what happened today to continue to happen, or something we don't in JPW.

He's not coming out and Mac and/or Fanuzzi aren't going in and that's why I lost all hope during this game. Knowing we have no other options available from our Sidelines perspective, at this point that's all that matters. We just have to deal with it until something better comes along or JPW finally gets it.


Either way it sure will be nice to get the textbook boys back. I'm saving a little pent up frustration for their direction to lol.

 

[swamptroll]

I don't how much I'm going to buy into changing QBs equals automatic spark. Many teams have done that this year and have been successful (i.e. FSU, Maryland, and South Carolina), but some have been busts (i.e. Michigan, Auburn, Notre Dame, and USC). Its more about the team being able to rally around the QB. I think JPW needs to improve his leadership skills some and take control of the huddle and the team. Show everyone that you have some confidence in yourself and the players around you. That will lead to the lines picking up their blocks and the receivers laying out for the more difficult catches. Today JPW looked a lot like Brodie did against Auburn in 2005. He was gun-shy and not confident in his ability to throw through a narrow window. We all know he's capable of doing it, because we've seen him thread a needle.

He is capable of threading a needle, and i would almost rather see him throw a pick than to see him throw three into the bleachers. that was embarrassing. it is almost like he is worrying more about stats than he is winning.ULAMO isn't an automatic win. I hate to hear folks talking like it is.
Nothing has come easy for this team.

 

[Ironhead Bret]

Did you watch their game today? UGA dominated them, Alabama played them much better. Also, Auburn lost to MSU as well so struggles and all I don't see much difference between the two teams. As a matter of fact, I think if Alabama gets the suspended players back they have a bit of a edge, since the ULM game should be a nice tune-up game.

If JPW does not remove skull from anus it will be just like 05, end of the first qtr 21-0 Barn. UGA is being consistent right now. Bama is not.

 

[SeattleTider]

A few reasons I'm not jumping on the anti-JPW wagon:

CNS and staff are getting paid to win these games. Their reputations, jobs, etc. are on the line. While, we, on the other hand, have nothing on the line except for our team pride (which I'll admit was wounded a tad bit today). In other words, CNS sees these players in practice every day, spends hours agonizing over strategy, and gets paid tons to do it. What would it gain him to hold the better player on the sidelines? Nothing! If he thought McElroy would turn things around, you would see him out there the next play probably, because that is CNS's job.

Second, I think JPW is on par with an average SEC quarterback. How many picks did Flynn throw last week? And they are the #1 team in the SEC right now. JPW has engineered some classic, historic moments that will for sure be etched in our memories, like many of the classic players who walked the field before him.

Sure, he does some stupid things. Sure, sometimes he throws it into coverage instead of throwing it away or taking the sack. Sure, he throws it away sometimes when he could have made the throw. Sure, he took a sack that may have costs us the game. But I think these are mistakes you will see the best QB's in the business make from time to time.

 

[OreBama]

How bout we keep kicking JPW while he's down?

I guess his Heisman hopes are dashed. Let's face it, for a 3 star QB out of Hoover, he is not too bad. He is absolutely inconsistent, but also is the best we have. The old cliche is that when the starter is playing badly, the backup is the most popular guy in town.

JPW will start for us the rest of this year and next year. We can only hope our coaches get the best out of him. You know, it wouldn't hurt if we could run the ball or pickup a blitz every now and then. We can play the blame game all week, but it gets us nowhere. The coaches have to, and I believe they are for the most part, put our QB in good situations to succeed.

 

[MegaVars]

Why just replace JPW? Why not replace the O-line. It`s a team sport. I`m not defending JPW, he had a terrible game, but I believe the offense as a whole was a contributing factor. IMO when the whole unit is struggling like that it`s not one sinlge players fault. Everyone pitches in. He made a horrible decision on the 100 yd. pick, but if you`ll watch closely, he was also put in a horrible situation by the lack of blocking.

 

[Crimson Cat]

The pattern we've seen is this: The starters in the Oline played in the FSU game and it didn't make a difference then...yesterday was shades of that game all over again for JPW. The mistakes he is making are what you'd expect from a freshman or sophomore qb in his first season.
He had time to make plays yesterday, he just didn't. Its not the first time he's struggled either.

 

[WPtider]

The play may have cost us the game, but I still do not lay that all on JPW. Yes he made a mistake. But so did the OL.

If we do start McElroy, what do you think that will do to JPW's confidence down the road. If McElroy started and then three 3-4 INTs, who are ya going to send in then. I wouldn't mind seeing McElroy play, just not under the circumstances many are whining for in this thread.

In the history of football thousands of qbs have been pulled. Look at every qb Spurrier had at UF. It didn't seem to kill their confidence. If JPW's confidence is that fickle maybe throwing a 103yd int just before half would have eliminated it before McElroy's one series?

 

[Bama1970]

In the history of football thousands of qbs have been pulled. Look at every qb Spurrier had at UF. It didn't seem to kill their confidence. If JPW's confidence is that fickle maybe throwing a 103yd int just before half would have eliminated it before McElroy's one series?

I've thought since the UGA game, he needed some pine time. Not a permanant benching, just to be pulled for a series or 2 when he was struggling. I'm quite convinced now that unless we are up by 3 TD's with under a minute to play, he will not be pulled.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I love how people who aren't in practice every day act as if the coaches don't know what they are doing or don't have valid reasons for replacing a player.

Never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Ldlane]

Boy, it seemed at the beginning of the season that many of us felt that we would see an 8-4 or 7-5 season. Maybe we should lose all of them at the beginning of the season and we won't get our hopes up and avoid the meltdowns.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I love how people who aren't in practice every day act as if the coaches don't know what they are doing or don't have valid reasons for replacing a player.

Never ceases to amaze me.

I do think it is a legit question as to why the staff chooses not to use Johns in short yardage situations when both of our other "big backs" (Coffee and Upchurch) are out. Especially when we've seen how easy Grant is to bring down and how hard Johns is to bring down.

I know for a fact CNS has his "valid reasons" for not doing it but I tend to believe the "valid reasons" have nothing to do with him not being the better back over Lowe and Grant on the goal line.

 

[crimsonaudio]

I do think it is a legit question as to why the staff chooses not to use Johns in short yardage situations when both of our other "big backs" (Coffee and Upchurch) are out. Especially when we've seen how easy Grant is to bring down and how hard Johns is to bring down.

I know for a fact CNS has his "valid reasons" for not doing it but I tend to believe the "valid reasons" have nothing to do with him not being the better back over Lowe and Grant on the goal line.

If he has valid reasons then how is the question legitimate?

This isn't a democracy - we pay the staff well to address on and off the field issues to make the young men better, not just to win so we can feel good..

 

[2003TIDE]

I love delusional fans Does anyone on this thread actually believe we are going to change QB's with 2 reg season games and 1 bowl game left? If we were going to change QB's we would have done it a long time ago. If we did it now we'd pretty much be giving up on the rest of the season.

Go play some more NCAA football on playstation and leave the coaching decisions to our Coaching staff.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

If he has valid reasons then how is the question legitimate?

This isn't a democracy - we pay the staff well to address on and off the field issues to make the young men better, not just to win so we can feel good..

The legitimacy is wanting to know the reason. Not questioning whether it was valid or not. If this was Mike Shula then yeah, most would be questioning how valid the reasons were.

And I understand it's not my "right" to know. But being a fan I like to know as much about the team as I can. Nothing wrong with that. Many times if you don't ask you won't know. Worse case scenario is you don't ever find out. I don't expect CNS to stand up in a press conference and say "Jimmy Johns is not playing because his attitude is horrible." But if someone on this board has an indication or some inside information and is willing to share then I'd like to know. There has been inside information of similar situations shared on here before.

I'm sure the coaching staff has "valid" reasons for everything they do from play calling, strategies and so forth. But we still debate and question them. It's part of what makes message boards so much fun.

 

[RedWave]

I will say this once again, I guess. Coach Saban and his staff see these guys play everyday in practice. Coach Saban and his staff want to win as badly as we do, if not more so. If there was any chance they thought that GM could do better than JPW, he would be playing right now. I think the fact that he is not playing should tell you all you need to know about how GM plays in practice and what the staff think of his ability to do better than JPW.

 

[Bamabuzzard]

I will say this once again, I guess. Coach Saban and his staff see these guys play everyday in practice. Coach Saban and his staff want to win as badly as we do, if not more so. If there was any chance they thought that GM could do better than JPW, he would be playing right now. I think the fact that he is not playing should tell you all you need to know about how GM plays in practice and what the staff think of his ability to do better than JPW.

Red, do you live in a neighborhood with a bunch of LSU fans? I see you live in Shreveport. I won't live this one down for a year. I've been getting the business since the clock hit triple ought yesterday afternoon.

 

[tidehawk]

From what I've read the off. line played like crap. Coach Saban will probably say that again in the press conference just like he did about the fsu game.

It's too late for GM. You dance with who brung ya.

Of couse unless you pull a Croyle, as in au 2 years ago, He should have been jerked after the 3rd sack in the first quarter.

Let's all pray JPW has a great game against au or Bama is toast, because we sure as he11 won't run on them.

Bingo. When you have to start Capps, you are in trouble. They actually had to flip Capps and Andr so Capps could get blocking help from the TE.

 

[Pachyderm37]

It's amazing how at the first of the year everyone was singing JPW's praises and singing about how he was the one to take us to the promissed land and now we're all ready to lynch him.

Another thing that I've noticed is that in everyone's assesment of JPW's interception at the end of the 1st half, the key operative words have been "...should have taken the SACK instead of throwing the ball into .. " the endzone in coverage. How come it is that no one is dog whipping the offensive lineman who let down on his blocking assignment to allow JPW to be put in that position?

Y'all can gang up on JPW as much as you would like but it's not gonna make our offensive line block any better and it's not gonna make other players not make dumb off the field decisions that can ( and have ) hurt the rest of the team on the field.

If you're gonna stand behind the team then do so. If you're gonna complain constantly and second guess everything then start wearing blue and orange.

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RTR