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I think saying better than Philon is a reach. If he was he would be in the draft also but love the guys size and how he drives to the bucket. He is not a good 3 pt shooter which is usually somebody CNO would not recruit but having three guards at 6'5" or more would be great to have since that is what we have lacked somewhat.
 
Claude seems like a weird fit to me. He is a 27% 3 point shooter in his career. He has improved some but still shot just 30% last year. He does finish well at the rim and has size for a guard but if he doesn’t shoot better teams will play off him like they did Estrada. Estrada was a better facilitator though.
 
Bpilktree said:
Claude seems like a weird fit to me. He is a 27% 3 point shooter in his career. He has improved some but still shot just 30% last year. He does finish well at the rim and has size for a guard but if he doesn’t shoot better teams will play off him like they did Estrada. Estrada was a better facilitator though.
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We don't need his scoring. We just need him to make plays with his defensive efforts. Also remember he was in a different system.
 
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TiderJack said:
I think saying better than Philon is a reach. If he was he would be in the draft also but love the guys size and how he drives to the bucket. He is not a good 3 pt shooter which is usually somebody CNO would not recruit but having three guards at 6'5" or more would be great to have since that is what we have lacked somewhat.
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Disagree 100% here. Philon, from all reports, didn't like having to attend school. Thus, he'd rather make $$$ in the G-league rather than in the NCAA... and that's perfectly ok. Now if you want to compare floors and ceilings, that's fair game. But to use this reasoning is flawed IMO.
 
BAMARICH said:
Disagree 100% here. Philon, from all reports, didn't like having to attend school. Thus, he'd rather make $$$ in the G-league rather than in the NCAA... and that's perfectly ok. Now if you want to compare floors and ceilings, that's fair game. But to use this reasoning is flawed IMO.
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Most don't like attending school. Philon is showing up in some mock drafts in the 1st round. The overwhelming majority of D1 players are not professional players. I don't see how you watching a 3 minute highlight tape of a kid makes you think he is better than Philon. That is flawed IMO.
 
TiderJack said:
Most don't like attending school. Philon is showing up in some mock drafts in the 1st round. The overwhelming majority of D1 players are not professional players. I don't see how you watching a 3 minute highlight tape of a kid makes you think he is better than Philon. That is flawed IMO.
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That's probably why his post said that his film suggests he's a better player....
 
TiderJack said:
Most don't like attending school. Philon is showing up in some mock drafts in the 1st round. The overwhelming majority of D1 players are not professional players. I don't see how you watching a 3 minute highlight tape of a kid makes you think he is better than Philon. That is flawed IMO.
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Ok... so let's see what numbers say in relation to the film. Philon averaged 10.6 points/3.8 assists/3.3 rebounds per game last season whereas Claude averaged 15.8/4.2/3.5 last year at Cal and 16.6/3.2/3.2 at Xavier the year prior. And experience-wise, there's absolutely no contest. Having NBA potential doesn't doesn't equate to NCAA productivity - Josh Primo is a poster child for this fact. At THIS point in their careers when comparing their stats, Claude is most likely the better player. BTW, you cite his 3 pt. shooting percentage. Care to look up Philon's last year? Also, my son attends UA and has classes with/works with several athletes. And while many do despise school, some tell him they stay because getting a degree is still quite useful.
 
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Just my .02 but comparing potential incoming transfers to guys whose eligibility is no longer in contention in Tuscaloosa is not conducive to anything positive and can be borderline detrimental. Philon was a stud for us last year and I hope he has a long and productive career at the next level. We were very fortunate that he came to UA and I believe he felt it was the best move for him to showcase his abilities that would help him get to the NBA as quickly as possible. I think he made the right decision as I don't believe being at Kansas would have showcased him or put him in the same light as our style of play did. Again, wish him nothing but it is now time to focus on the next team and the next set of players or potential players.
 
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BAMARICH said:
Ok... so let's see what numbers say in relation to the film. Philon averaged 10.6 points/3.8 assists/3.3 rebounds per game last season whereas Claude averaged 15.8/4.2/3.5 last year at Cal and 16.6/3.2/3.2 at Xavier the year prior. And experience-wise, there's absolutely no contest. Having NBA potential doesn't doesn't equate to NCAA productivity - Josh Primo is a poster child for this fact. At THIS point in their careers when comparing their stats, Claude is most likely the better player. BTW, you cite his 3 pt. shooting percentage. Care to look up Philon's last year? Also, my son attends UA and has classes with/works with several athletes. And while many do despise school, some tell him they stay because getting a degree is still quite useful.
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Look, I hope this kid averages 15 pts/game for us and is a lottery pick or draft pick. That would be great but IMO is he is not as talented as Philon from what little I have seen of him.
 
TiderJack said:
Look, I hope this kid averages 15 pts/game for us and is a lottery pick or draft pick. That would be great but IMO is he is not as talented as Philon from what little I have seen of him.
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I think "talent" is what many look at in Philon's situation - that and his perceived upside (which is high). However, production is actually what counts in the course of a season and Claude has produced for two years in major college basketball. Your original point was about "watching a three-minute film" - that it's a "reach" to think he's better than Philon. The stats don't support your take on that... but to each his own.
 
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The reason I asked you to elaborate on it is due to the fact that on page 23 of this same thread, you compared Bristow (incoming transfer) to Stephenson (who's no longer in contention in Tuscaloosa) and on page 5 you compared Bowen to Nelson (though the post has changed or been taken down since I asked for elaboration). Not sure why me and Jack can't do that while you can???
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I know a troll response when I see them hence why I didn't respond but since you insist...

My exact posts stated:

"I'm seeing a lot of wishful thinking from some fans but there is a huge drop off from what we are currently sitting at and what we had last year. I've seen numerous times people saying we upgraded with Bowen from Nelson which to me is laughable. With that being said, I'd be shocked if we don't lock up some big names in the coming weeks. We should have the ability to pay for the right guys with Philon, Cliff, Nelson, Sears, and company no longer with us. The NIL coffers should be more than available if we were able to secure the same allotment as last year."

I briefly responded to multiple posts making light to Grant Nelson's play and stated he is a bigger loss than many realize.

The other post you mentioned states:

"Really like how he attacks the rim and he is very fluid/athletic. Think Stevenson but his complete opposite..."

Ok you got me...

The original post you wanted my elaboration on is simply this...We have beat the horse completely dead on "is this kid better than Philon?". It is human nature when you lose something to justify that you really didn't lose anything and you have gained something. The truth is that is a defense mechanism and doesn't really help you in any way, shape, or form. None of my posts state anything similar to that in nature. I have defended Stevenson in multiple posts on here if you want to search tab that. I defended Nelson on the above post. Making a minor comparison to style of play of an incoming player to a former player is beneficial to some because it gives others an idea of what we have coming in. Going a few pages deep on is this guy better than that guy ain't it. Just my .02. I'm not a moderator and I have no authority. Was just trying to get the topic back where I felt it needed to be. It wasn't a personal attack on you or anyone.
 
Getting back on topic...That little video shows he's the kind of player that should excel in CNO's system. I think the thinking was losing Philon was a big hole, but adding Claude would significantly fill that void and could possibly leave us with just as good if not a better player.

None of this is verifiable until it happens and he does it, but I'd rather roll with Claude at the PG than have to depend on Hollaway, who I feel is at his best off the ball.
 
Bazza said:
Florida just got a player from the portal from Arkansas named "Boogie".......and (reportedly) will be paying north of $2 million for the privilege! :rolleyes:
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Not disputing what you are saying but I sometimes think these NIL reports are inflated. Just hard for me to believe that some of these guys are getting this kind of money when they aren't that good. (Not talking about this particular player necessarily either)
 
cdub55 said:
Not disputing what you are saying but I sometimes think these NIL reports are inflated. Just hard for me to believe that some of these guys are getting this kind of money when they aren't that good. (Not talking about this particular player necessarily either)
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I agree!:cool:

I think these numbers are floated out there (by the agents) to inflate the market $...:rolleyes:
 
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