Is there any arguing this? The "are you good enough to join our conference?" was one of the prominent themes of conference realignment in 2010 and 2011.
Urban Meyer thread 2.0...
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Didn't SEC feel the same way when evaluating potential schools to add? I mean, the B1G added Maryland and Rutgers. Nothing to crow about with those schools on any front, academically or athletically. The actual conference membership couldn't have been too picky, could they? It was really all about the $$$, expanding the footprint of the B1G Network. They are crowing about the brand. It is business.
And if we get away from schools and sports, every geographic group thinks it is the best place to live, including the South. I can't tell you how many comments I have read on this site disparaging other parts of the country for a variety of reasons. Each one of us has to decide whether or not to take that stuff personally. I choose not to.
You have to remember that the South has served as a veritable scapegoat for over 150 years for the sins of the entire country. Having worked for, with, and around people from all over the country - it's staggering the amount of ignorance with which most people from other parts of the country seem to regard the South as incontrovertible fact. The simple truth is that the South has never been and certainly isn't now - as a whole - any more racist or uneducated than any other region of the country.
Given my penchant for grammatical correctness and relative lack of a strong accent, people often have trouble immediately identifying where I was raised. As a result, I've often been mistaken for being from a different part of the country and witnessed a little more freely the pervasive, ignorant, arrogant attitudes a lot of people display toward the South - that is until they find out where I was raised.
The four States in which I've witnessed the worst of this behavior are, in no particular order, California, New York, Illinois, and Ohio. It's especially ironic coming from folks who hail from New York and Illinois, given their histories. When I was working for a company in Illinois, I literally won hundreds of dollars on bets about Illinois' history regarding certain topics - about which their residents seem extremely ignorant.
Fair enough.
On that front, something I think everyone should keep in mind is that all of the evidence that has been presented to the public alleging even the abuse by Zach Smith and, especially, Meyer's knowledge of it has been presented by a single source - with an obvious agenda against Meyer - in a wholly unverifiable format.
Add to that the apparent holes in that story, the records of police involvement, and the opposition to that story by even Courtney Smith's own mother and anyone that hasn't been directly involved in the situation for years who believes they know enough to come to a judgment on this matter is simply believing what they want to believe.
At this point, none of us can say whether...
A) Zach was abusing his wife for years, Urban knew about it, and even lent Zach a helping hand on occasion;
B) Zach never intentionally abused his wife, his wife was making all of this stuff up, and Urban knew she was just a crazy loon; or
C) the truth is somewhere in the middle and perhaps no one but Meyer himself really knows what he knew, suspected, and/or did about the situation.
The problem is that most people have such an innate fear of the unknown that they simply cannot abide not knowing and must, therefore, jump to a conclusion as quickly as possible irrespective of whether the known facts exist to support any conclusion.
Ah, the Double-Thanks post... for when simply clicking the Thanks button just isn't enough.
Before too long we'll end up with some Double-Full-Banjeaux posts!
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Thank you for saying this. I like that you said it, but I also hate that you had to say it. Roll Tide, sir!
I agree with the essence of what you are saying and most details, but the bolded statement may not be true. In one of the emails or tweets, Zach admitted to physically abusing his wife. The only caveat is that the communication might be forged, conceivable but probably not likely. Though one can not rule out that possibility, the exchange does pass the smell test. If that communication is valid it changes many things and renders some concerns about her credibility irrelevant. I.e., she may have overstated some things and fabricated others and may be crazy but the basic charge against Zach Smith stands if that communication is valid.
But this has been yet another classic example showing the need to wait until all of the facts, as many as we might get, come out. I am one who has some hope that OSU may be conducting a legitimate investigation and act appropriately. (Hanging over them is the specter of a court of law "discovering" and revealing some measure of truth.)
If they retain Meyer OSU will get roasted like a stuck pig over hot coals in the court of public opinion. The media and their talking heads will ensure of that.
Maybe, but I doubt it. Most are now saying they expect Urban to keep his job. The overall reaction will be determined by what evidence Ohio State releases after the investigation.
Oh I know that. But ESPN is about sensationalism, getting the masses in a fit to drive ratings. "They found enough evidence to keep him" doesn't drive ratings.
This is becoming like that last big event that is isolated to NS. Nobody can take any position without ticking off a whole group of folks.
My position has been this from the get-go.....WHY do I hear more about what Urban Meyer may or may not have known about it or done about it than I heard for years about what exactly the guy accused of hitting his wife did?
Of course, I know the answer to this:
"We, the press, know that most folks EVEN OF OHIO STATE have no earthly idea who Zach Smith is. But put Urban Meyer's name in it, and voila! People will read us and then we can pontificate righteously about what he should have done."
Oh and the easy part: "You know, if he would have just done something to Aaron Hernandez then four people might still be alive." (Which is just a sleazy way of suggesting Urban Meyer is guilty of permitting murder).
Urban Meyer may be as wrong as wrong can possibly be, but it's a disgusting joke that I know more about his so-called neglect to fire the guy than I know about what the guy did at the time. I mean, I only know NOW what Smith did because, you know, Urban.
As far as Ohio State getting raked.......just let them go 11-0 and win the Big Ten and the story shifts to, "How incredible it is that Urban Meyer is able to block out all the distractions." Hell, Kobe Bryant became a hero for playing good b-ball during a rape charge.
I expected this from the get-go....in large part because two years from now he will be a candidate somewhere else, so why should Ohio St give him up and then have to face him? I hate to sound cynical or like DV isn't important, but why should Ohio St surrender him when someone else is going to hire him anyway?
My take was a one season suspension, something they can actually say cost them something. I suspect four games, back just in time for Penn State.
And some sort of community service for DVs.
Well, I explicitly stated that we cannot know whether either position A or B are factual, so I'm really not sure with what you're arguing.
If that particular text, as presented, is indeed factual then, of course, position B is incorrect. However, if you choose to believe the evidence as presented then you are doing just that: choosing to believe it. The evidence that has been publicly presented has been presented by an obviously biased source and in a wholly unverifiable format. Anyone with an iPhone could fabricate that text exchange in less than five minutes.
So, if you choose to believe the evidence then you are choosing to believe that A) Courtney Smith presented wholly factual evidence to McMurphy and that B) McMurphy faithfully and properly presented that evidence to the public since that evidence has not been publicly verified as being factual.
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No matter how this shakes out, I hope he has to answer for keeping him on staff from 2015-2018. We can't let that slide. I can't imagine a scenario in which I would have kept him on my staff, even after hearing all of the refuting comments about the abuse. The bottom line - it was the wrong move for Ohio State, and Meyer had a duty to protect Ohio State. He needs to be punished for that. I am hoping for a 6 game suspension, but doubt it will be that severe.
I was saying that there is a reasonable chance that that exchange was not fabricated. And if so, it would render some of the complaints about her much less meaningful or even irrelevant. That was the primary point of the post. I made it clear that there were serious cautions associated with the possibility that the exchange was legit.
I made it quite clear that I had not come to any conclusion regarding the issue. I had not chosen to believe any of these things.
If you had read the post carefully, it would have been clear by multiple statements that I did not choose to believe any of those things. In fact, I plainly stated that we needed to wait before coming to any conclusions.
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