Why does everyone hate us?

[TonyTiger]

First of all, everyone does not hate you. It is worse than that. People now pity you. Stop all the "woe is me" stuff and get on with it. Hire a good coach(Saban is a pipe dream, but more power to you if you get him because he is just the one to slay all of your sacred cows that are holding you back) and get back to a competitive status. Alabama will never be what it was in the 70's and 80's. No program will be. There are too many schools that are putting a whole lot of emphasis on football and plenty have more resources than Alabama. There are several schools in your own conference that have more resources than you including Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and LSU. Quit the pity party and get back to respectability for all our sakes. Start by beating the stuffing out of OSU.
RollTide and Hold that LSU Tiger!

 

[Jack Bourbon]

 

[FatherTide]

First of all, everyone does not hate you. It is worse than that. People now pity you. Stop all the "woe is me" stuff and get on with it. Hire a good coach(Saban is a pipe dream, but more power to you if you get him because he is just the one to slay all of your sacred cows that are holding you back) and get back to a competitive status. Alabama will never be what it was in the 70's and 80's. No program will be. There are too many schools that are putting a whole lot of emphasis on football and plenty have more resources than Alabama. There are several schools in your own conference that have more resources than you including Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and LSU. Quit the pity party and get back to respectability for all our sakes. Start by beating the stuffing out of OSU.
RollTide and Hold that LSU Tiger!

Sounds to me like somebody is upset? Is there a problem with Les Miles and Jimbo Fisher(great coach) that you would like to get off of your chest? Or would you care to express your feelings about the possible defection of DC to the first top notch program willing to give him a chance to be HC?

Warning! Above poster may explode before the LSMyles TIGERS implode!:biggrin2:

Take a pill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RTR!!!

 

[BamaMoon]

First of all, everyone does not hate you. It is worse than that. People now pity you. Stop all the "woe is me" stuff and get on with it. Hire a good coach(Saban is a pipe dream, but more power to you if you get him because he is just the one to slay all of your sacred cows that are holding you back) and get back to a competitive status. Alabama will never be what it was in the 70's and 80's. No program will be. There are too many schools that are putting a whole lot of emphasis on football and plenty have more resources than Alabama. There are several schools in your own conference that have more resources than you including Florida, Georgia, Tennessee and LSU. Quit the pity party and get back to respectability for all our sakes. Start by beating the stuffing out of OSU.
RollTide and Hold that LSU Tiger!

Don't agree with everything you said, but the Bama Nation does have some "woe is me" people in it (but so does every fan base). One thing that bothers me is how we often use generalizations like "everyone hates us." Some fans do the same thing when they discuss T.V. commentators. In life, and in following a football team, if one has a bad attitude, they tend to have a bad outlook on how they feel others feel about them. Hence the "woe is me."

BTW, the reasons you admit NS would be good for UA is why many of us are rooting for his arrival.

 

[AlpinVol]

I usually don't post here. I just lurk about reading posts to keep up with the pulse of Bama football. Being a Vol fan I know that posting will open myself to ridicule from my SEC brethren in the Crimson Nation but I feel like I should respond this time. I believe that Bama will hire someone (Saban or another) who will bring the program back to it's winning ways. It will be good for the SEC and college football to have Bama back in the top 15 every year. Having Bama flounder just makes college football feel empty. I don't believe that everyone hates you. I believe that the outcry from the Bama faithful when you were put on probation prompted a lot of this backlash. Most wanted to blame Fulmer, the SEC, or the NCAA and never admitted to the violations. It was that arrogance then that was the catalyst for the negative press now. The whole deal with Tommy Gallion and Finebaum didn't help either. Just makes Bama look bad in the eyes of the rest of the country. I just hope that all of this foolishness would go away and we could look forward to fall with the knowledge that when the third Saturday in October came, two top 15 teams were going to knock heads and it would be the game of the week. Some of you may not agree with me and that is fine. Some will post and call me names like a "vomiteer" or a "ville". It's that kind of attitude that reinforces the stereotype from which you just can't seem to break free. Good luck and I hope you hit a home run with your coaching hire.

 

[BAMMAR]

Success breeds envy.

 

[rolltideas]

No offense Vol fan but Bama was thrown under the bus and had it back over it a few times, and then was given the shaft by the NCAA. Phattimus was "largely" to blame, and any other school would have cried bloody murder. It also would have literally destroyed most programs, but it didn't destroy us. We're not going to flame on visitors who conduct themselves with decency and have something useful to say. I attribute most of the dislike from others to ignorance (ex. CMS was fired because he didn't beat Awbarn) due to not following the program at all, or jealousy (like how everyone hates the Yankees in MLB). If people have a problem with us because our fans expect greatness then so be it. If their goal is mediocrity fine. They can criticize us all they want. I, for one, don't let it bother. Personally, I think it is funny most of the time.

 

[BamaJoker]

I usually don't post here. I just lurk about reading posts to keep up with the pulse of Bama football. Being a Vol fan I know that posting will open myself to ridicule from my SEC brethren in the Crimson Nation but I feel like I should respond this time. I believe that Bama will hire someone (Saban or another) who will bring the program back to it's winning ways. It will be good for the SEC and college football to have Bama back in the top 15 every year. Having Bama flounder just makes college football feel empty. I don't believe that everyone hates you. I believe that the outcry from the Bama faithful when you were put on probation prompted a lot of this backlash. Most wanted to blame Fulmer, the SEC, or the NCAA and never admitted to the violations. It was that arrogance then that was the catalyst for the negative press now. The whole deal with Tommy Gallion and Finebaum didn't help either. Just makes Bama look bad in the eyes of the rest of the country. I just hope that all of this foolishness would go away and we could look forward to fall with the knowledge that when the third Saturday in October came, two top 15 teams were going to knock heads and it would be the game of the week. Some of you may not agree with me and that is fine. Some will post and call me names like a "vomiteer" or a "ville". It's that kind of attitude that reinforces the stereotype from which you just can't seem to break free. Good luck and I hope you hit a home run with your coaching hire.

Good post, man. I agree with a lot of it.

FWIW, the problem I had with Fulmer was that he was putting on a Sherlock Holmes hat and pretending he was with the FBI or something... IMO, he should have been spending time recruiting for his own team and making sure they were ready to play the upcoming season (proof was in the poor showing by the Vols last year).

As far as the probation goes (again these are my opinions), nothing was ever proven that the Bama SCHOOL or COACHING STAFF had anything to do with it. We did have a BOOSTER that felt like it was worth $150K to a Memphis HS coach to persuade a guy to come to Bama that ended up not being able to spell "Cat" and ended up having to transfer. I thought that was the dumbest use of money EVER. I don't think this was a Bama only thing either. Many schools "get in trouble" over booster activities that they have no control over. I wish there was another way to 'punish' the true offenders and not the folks that come along after the fact. Unless of course there is proof that the school/staff had something to do with it, then what happens...happens.

 

[BamaMoon]

I usually don't post here. I just lurk about reading posts to keep up with the pulse of Bama football. Being a Vol fan I know that posting will open myself to ridicule from my SEC brethren in the Crimson Nation but I feel like I should respond this time. I believe that Bama will hire someone (Saban or another) who will bring the program back to it's winning ways. It will be good for the SEC and college football to have Bama back in the top 15 every year. Having Bama flounder just makes college football feel empty. I don't believe that everyone hates you. I believe that the outcry from the Bama faithful when you were put on probation prompted a lot of this backlash. Most wanted to blame Fulmer, the SEC, or the NCAA and never admitted to the violations. It was that arrogance then that was the catalyst for the negative press now. The whole deal with Tommy Gallion and Finebaum didn't help either. Just makes Bama look bad in the eyes of the rest of the country. I just hope that all of this foolishness would go away and we could look forward to fall with the knowledge that when the third Saturday in October came, two top 15 teams were going to knock heads and it would be the game of the week. Some of you may not agree with me and that is fine. Some will post and call me names like a "vomiteer" or a "ville". It's that kind of attitude that reinforces the stereotype from which you just can't seem to break free. Good luck and I hope you hit a home run with your coaching hire.

Good first posts. I always liked the years before the Fulmer vs. UA years when it was about football and not about probation, allegations, personalities. I agree that a healthy Bama program is good for college football. Roll Tide!

 

[J4Bama]

I have the same problem here in Georgia. When I tell a UGA fan that I went to school at Alabama it's a look of disgust :mad2:
You ask why everyone hates us so much? I've always been told that we hate the thing we are most jealous of :biggrin:

 

[BamaMoon]

Let us remember that most of the "ribbing" that takes place between collegiate rival fans is all in good taste. Maybe we should remember it's just a game and we shouldn't wear our feelings on our sleeve. If someone genuinely hates you or me because we are Bama fans then "woe is them!!!" :BigA:

 

[Anchovy]

I believe that the outcry from the Bama faithful when you were put on probation prompted a lot of this backlash. Most wanted to blame Fulmer, the SEC, or the NCAA and never admitted to the violations. It was that arrogance then that was the catalyst for the negative press now. The whole deal with Tommy Gallion and Finebaum didn't help either. Just makes Bama look bad in the eyes of the rest of the country.

Well you see it just kind of ticked us off that Phat Phil met with the NCAA people and testified, in secret because he was too much of a coward to say it publicly, against Alabama and then we get hammered but magically the NCAA has no problem when a booster, Diane Sanford, gives cash to a Thugessee player, Tee Martin.

I just hope that all of this foolishness would go away and we could look forward to fall with the knowledge that when the third Saturday in October came, two top 15 teams were going to knock heads and it would be the game of the week.

Not so long as Fatumbo is your coach

Some of you may not agree with me and that is fine. Some will post and call me names like a "vomiteer" or a "ville". It's that kind of attitude that reinforces the stereotype from which you just can't seem to break free. Good luck and I hope you hit a home run with your coaching hire.

Well having half your team in jail or on probation sort of reinforces the stereotype that you are Thugessee

 

[Isaiah 63:1]

Success breeds envy.

That certainly doesn't explain it of late, now does it.

Roman Emperor Caligula (bad role model I know, but bear with me) was known to say, “Oderint dum metuant.” Translation - let them hate while they fear. No one fears Alabama football anymore. Would that they did.

Not everyone, and not even every non-Tider, hates Alabama. However, two main factors account for the perception of those who feel otherwise:

1) Especially given our recent winning percentage, we take ourselves, I believe, more seriously than any other fandom in college football with the possible exception of Notre Dame's. The more seriously anyone takes himself, the more people will poke fun at him just to get under his all-too-thin-skin and, in the process, give him the impression that everyone hates him. This is especially true when that person is in trouble (which we are) and has a reputation for arrogance (which we do). Throw in some juicy public missteps (RR, fRan, Price, Shula-in-the-headlights, etc.) and those of a mind to add insult to injury usually will.

2) If you revere the history and tradition of college football teams (not individuals, mind you, but teams), there are really only three sine qua nons – Alabama, Notre Dame, and Meechigan, with USoCal, OU, NU, UTex, UTenn, PSU etc. on the outside looking in. So the average college football fan might be mainly indifferent to schools with recent success - say, Auburn (which, let’s face it, is really just Clemson minus the lake) - but will likely be well versed on us. In other words, while not everyone hates Alabama, very few are indifferent to us.

So, all other things being equal, in which position would you rather find yourself - (a) loved by many, respected by most, and hated by some (e.g., Alabama, ND, Meechigan); or (b) largely ignored by all but your own fan base and that of your most hated rival unless you are undefeated deep into the season (e.g., AU, aTm, Oregon, UofL, PSU, UTex, etc.)? I'm with Caligula on this one. Oderint dum metuant.

 

[AlpinVol]

In response to Anchovy - If the roles were reversed you would have given your head coach (insert name) sainthood. It is people like you that reinforce that stereotype of the dumb southern hick that ALL of us fight.

I will agree that Fulmer is not the caliber of coach that many in the Vol Nation would have you believe. There are a large number of people that are not happy with the way he has disgraced our program with the lack of discipline over the last few years. The program has been in decline since our NC in 98. It was almost like the staff took a break and forgot that they still had to work for their jobs. Last year was the culmination of all of the mistakes that were made on the Hill. Although I maintain that Fulmer did nothing out of line in talking to the NCAA (Spurrier did as well but that did not stop you from trying to entice him to come the Capstone). I do believe that he is a respectable man though. Maybe he made a mistake in talking to the NCAA. I am not in a place to judge him. He is a Tennessee Vol, born and raised in Tennessee and played here as well. He loves the state and the school and he does a lot of great things in the community. He also donates a ton of time to children's organizations. That being said, I wish he was as strong willed as our basketball coach Bruce Pearl though. Then maybe UT football would not headline the police blotter during the off-season. That stuff makes me as sick. I do enjoy conversing with fans from other programs and look forward to learning about Bama football (and being the target of some friendly jokes) from all of you during the off-season.

I say this next phrase only during bowl season and March Madness…so don’t get used to it

Roll Tide Roll!

 

[bamanut_aj]

. There are too many schools that are putting a whole lot of emphasis on football and plenty have more resources than Alabama.

Now that's just silly. MORE resources? Maybe equal to, but not more. At least not "plenty have more".

 

[BamaJoker]

Although I maintain that Fulmer did nothing out of line in talking to the NCAA (Spurrier did as well but that did not stop you from trying to entice him to come the Capstone).

IMO, He was out of line. I would not want any Bama coach more worried about UT than Bama. Again, my opinion. I respect yours.

PLEASE...for the love of God, DO NOT put me in the group that wanted Spurrier. Although he did report us to the NCAA, he did it in the official manner versus acting like a CIA Operative. I DID point that out (among other things) however when I was upset at Bama fans actually WANTING him to come here. Excuse me a minute while I throw up again just thinking about it. I've spent 15 years despising the man...can't turn that off. I'd rather General Neyland coach us than Spurrier (at least he had respect for us).

 

[Jack Bourbon]

I don't think Spurrier ever reported us for anything. He just sent a letter to DuBose warning him that he would if something wasn't fixed.

 

[AlpinVol]

IMO, He was out of line. I would not want any Bama coach more worried about UT than Bama. Again, my opinion. I respect yours.

PLEASE...for the love of God, DO NOT put me in the group that wanted Spurrier. Although he did report us to the NCAA, he did it in the official manner versus acting like a CIA Operative. I DID point that out (among other things) however when I was upset at Bama fans actually WANTING him to come here. Excuse me a minute while I throw up again just thinking about it. I've spent 15 years despising the man...can't turn that off. I'd rather General Neyland coach us than Spurrier (at least he had respect for us).

My bad Joker. I definitly agree with you. He gets my stomach acids churning.

 

[REBELZED]

IMO, I think it's just easy for the more casual football fans to jump on the "Hate Bama" bandwagon right now what with our coaching search and all the ESPN-heads downing us and talking about how we can't get a new coach to save our skin. I'd say a lot of them don't get their football "news" from any other sources besides ESPN and therefore don't know any better :conf3:

 

[SoldierForTide]

I usually don't post here. I just lurk about reading posts to keep up with the pulse of Bama football. Being a Vol fan I know that posting will open myself to ridicule from my SEC brethren in the Crimson Nation but I feel like I should respond this time. I believe that Bama will hire someone (Saban or another) who will bring the program back to it's winning ways. It will be good for the SEC and college football to have Bama back in the top 15 every year. Having Bama flounder just makes college football feel empty. I don't believe that everyone hates you. I believe that the outcry from the Bama faithful when you were put on probation prompted a lot of this backlash. Most wanted to blame Fulmer, the SEC, or the NCAA and never admitted to the violations. It was that arrogance then that was the catalyst for the negative press now. The whole deal with Tommy Gallion and Finebaum didn't help either. Just makes Bama look bad in the eyes of the rest of the country. I just hope that all of this foolishness would go away and we could look forward to fall with the knowledge that when the third Saturday in October came, two top 15 teams were going to knock heads and it would be the game of the week. Some of you may not agree with me and that is fine. Some will post and call me names like a "vomiteer" or a "ville". It's that kind of attitude that reinforces the stereotype from which you just can't seem to break free. Good luck and I hope you hit a home run with your coaching hire.

This post is fundamentally flawed. Why? Because you are assuming the rest of the country even knows what you're talking about. Outside of message board reading SEC fans, a lot of folks didn't even know when Bama was put on probation, much less the specifics - names, dates, etc. Nor do they care- Aubie and Tenn are the exception, not the rule.

Fact: Outside of Bama, and probably Tennessee, I can bet you that 85-100% of people across the country have no clue who Tommy Gallion is.

I have lived around the country -Louisiana, Arizona, Texas, Georgia and Missouri. Georgia could really a darn about Bama football , much less specifics of the whole situation.

You're also taking flawed logic in saying "You never admitted you did wrong". I'll let you keep thinking that. We did our time, what else do we owe you?

Keep making blanket statements about your opinion and stating it as fact. It's that kind of attitude that reinforces the stereotype from which you just can't seem to break free.

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