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Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

NYBamaFan said:
No, but the point of the discussion was not to let inequity create bad feelings for others who were more fortunate. I was raised in very poor circumstances, and he wanted me to understand that you had to work hard and hope for the best, but if the best never came to you, to enjoy what you have and not worry about what you might not have. He was especially critical of us when we seemed unable to accept that which we could not control.

You say that you only want equity. Fair enough. I would rather have justice...
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With equity, you would have justice.
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

TommyMac said:
With equity, you would have justice.
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Sorry, that is not even close to being true, and you know it. If everyone is abused, it is not just (or right) simply because everyone has to endure the abuse. When abuse exists, we try to stamp out the abuse, not spread it out more evenly...
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

NYBamaFan said:
Sorry, that is not even close to being true, and you know it. If everyone is abused, it is not just (or right) simply because everyone has to endure the abuse. When abuse exists, we try to stamp out the abuse, not spread it out more evenly...
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By equity, I meant if the nzaa's applied their rules equally all the time to all the member institutions. Not on a sliding scale as they are currently doing.
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

TommyMac said:
By equity, I meant if the nzaa's applied their rules equally all the time to all the member institutions. Not on a sliding scale as they are currently doing.
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No, by equity you mean that now that Bama has already been screwed, everyone else should get screwed, too. Since we cannot turn the clock back and have Bama treated fairly, you would like for everyone else to suffer the same fate.

You say by this happening (everyone else getting hammered), the other schools would fight back, but the NCAA is too smart to play by your rules. They have backed waaay down since sanctioning Bama. The only way to move forward is to put pressure on the University and our congressmen to sanction (or dismantling altogether) the NCAA. Your anger at other programs for "getting away with things that we were hammered for" is getting us nowhere and it makes us look petty...
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

NY, the way I read most of these posts is not that we are angry with the other programs but angry with the NCAA for not investigating the infractions by other programs. Due to the bevy or law suits filed against them the NCAA is probably getting gun shy. Us putting pressure on one university or our two congressmen isn't going to make a big splash in the water, not when there are over a hundred universities who pay membership to the NCAA.
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

bayoutider said:
NY, the way I read most of these posts is not that we are angry with the other programs but angry with the NCAA for not investigating the infractions by other programs. Due to the bevy or law suits filed against them the NCAA is probably getting gun shy. Us putting pressure on one university or our two congressmen isn't going to make a big splash in the water, not when there are over a hundred universities who pay membership to the NCAA.
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I understand, but that is talking out of both sides of your mouth. If you think that we were wrongfully persecuted, we should demand reform - not equal persecution of other programs. Anything less lacks integrity...
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

In other words, you cannot say (with integrity) that the NCAA had no basis for their punishment of Alabama and so should have dropped the charges, but expect them to maintain those same charges against other schools. That is a false argument that sounds petty. If we believe that they were wrong in going after us, the only honorable thing to do is call it equally wrong when they attempt to go after other schools for the same things.

When they decide not to do so, we should recognize that they made the right decision. We might wish that they had also made the right decision in our case, but wishing won't make it so.

Since you don't think that the NCAA will change, the best we can hope for is better treatment in the future...
 
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Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

Some of you seem to be offended by my remarks and that is unfortunate. Before 1990, all of you would have agreed with me. It is a shame that you cannot see this in a more objective light. I'll leave this to the "Tide Faithful"...
 
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Since you don't think that the NCAA will change, the best we can hope for is better treatment in the future...
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The only treatment we will get in the future will be the death treatment(penalty).Sometimes it takes the persecution of many to make things happen. There is no way the ncaa will change because one school is screwed over, only when the uscs, the nds of the world are persecuted will the world change.
I think what we all want is for the ncaa to have giudelines that are fair to everyone and then uphold those guidelines in all cases. And they also need to have someone they answer to.Someone we can complain to.Do we actually have to go before congress or the supreme court to have changes take place?

Also life is what you make it, if you allow people to be unfair they will.If you sit back and say oh well thats life then it will never change.You try to never accept unfairness.
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

NYBamaFan said:
Some of you seem to be offended by my remarks and that is unfortunate. Before 1990, all of you would have agreed with me. It is a shame that you cannot see this in a more objective light. I'll leave this to the "Tide Faithful"...
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I agree with you in theory, however The University was railroaded plain and simple, it has been a bitter pill to swallow and it has left a horrible after taste. I think the biggest problem most people have is the unfairness of it all (no need to repeat the Life isn't fair euphemism doesn't really apply to something on this scale). This organization came dangerously close to killing something we all love and on evidence that was shaky at best after full cooperation from the compliance staff. We then get to watch so many instances when this organization blatantly lets school after school pass untouched with transgressions that are more serious and a lot more evidence to prove their guilt.
Pardon me just this one time for not taking the moral high ground on this one.
If proven true I hope they HAMMER USC
Then I'd be more inclined consider the past vendetta they have against Alabama fading into the past.
But until they decide to make an example of another school not located south of the Mason Dixson it's hard for me to wish well for a program that is cheating not to get their just desserts.
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

NYBamaFan said:
No, by equity you mean that now that Bama has already been screwed, everyone else should get screwed, too. Since we cannot turn the clock back and have Bama treated fairly, you would like for everyone else to suffer the same fate.

You say by this happening (everyone else getting hammered), the other schools would fight back, but the NCAA is too smart to play by your rules. They have backed waaay down since sanctioning Bama. The only way to move forward is to put pressure on the University and our congressmen to sanction (or dismantling altogether) the NCAA. Your anger at other programs for "getting away with things that we were hammered for" is getting us nowhere and it makes us look petty...
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Where do you get off telling me what I meant in a post? Folks in the South generally expect New Yorkers to be pompous to a degree, but you're abusing the privilege.
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

TommyMac said:
Where do you get off telling me what I meant in a post? Folks in the South generally expect New Yorkers to be pompous to a degree, but you're abusing the privilege.
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Right - Oh yeah, I am from Alabama.

For the record, what in my statement, was inaccurate? Are you saying that you don't want these other schools punished as we were? Are you saying that Bama wasn't royally hosed by the NCAA? I think that you will find that my statement accurately reflects your meaning, even if I put it in harsher terms than you are prepared to do. The net result is the same. We got hosed, so they must also get hosed.

I don't want to argue about this anymore. You guys disagree. No problem. Somehow you are offended that a fellow TideFan might not see it the same way that you do. Again, no problem. I can live with that...
 
NYBF,

Since you feel the need to tell people what they really mean when they post, let me add this. This isn't the non-sports board. Over here on this board we discuss things. We aren't trying to win a debate or hammer our point of view into someone's head that disagrees with us. That tripe and the insults that go along with it gets old real fast around here so if you don't mind please keep it over at the non-sports board. That is how I really feel, you don't need to assume anything. Sorry if that comes across as petty. If the shoe fits I will gladly wear it. Thanks in advance.
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

NYBamaFan said:
Right - Oh yeah, I am from Alabama.

For the record, what in my statement, was inaccurate? Are you saying that you don't want these other schools punished as we were? Are you saying that Bama wasn't royally hosed by the NCAA? I think that you will find that my statement accurately reflects your meaning, even if I put it in harsher terms than you are prepared to do. The net result is the same. We got hosed, so they must also get hosed.

I don't want to argue about this anymore. You guys disagree. No problem. Somehow you are offended that a fellow TideFan might not see it the same way that you do. Again, no problem. I can live with that...
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I was not offended that we had differing opinions, I was offended that you tried to tell me what my opinion was.
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

rizolltizide said:
NYBF,

Since you feel the need to tell people what they really mean when they post, let me add this. This isn't the non-sports board. Over here on this board we discuss things. We aren't trying to win a debate or hammer our point of view into someone's head that disagrees with us. That tripe and the insults that go along with it gets old real fast around here so if you don't mind please keep it over at the non-sports board. That is how I really feel, you don't need to assume anything. Sorry if that comes across as petty. If the shoe fits I will gladly wear it. Thanks in advance.
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I never tell anyone what to think. I only try to get people to think for themselves. If my ideas are disturbing, they are probably closer to the mark than you give credit. And my posts here are related to the thread topic. I don't discuss religion or politics here. If you don't like my posts, pass them over...
 
Re: Uh oh..looks like Reggie Bush may be in trouble

TommyMac said:
I was not offended that we had differing opinions, I was offended that you tried to tell me what my opinion was.
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Fair enough. Then I retract that and ask where I was wrong in my opinion of your opinion. You are one of the more eloquent posters in this forum and I certainly respect your point of view - even if we do not agree...
 
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