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selmaborntidefan said:
The Senate also has been rolling out grenades from time to time to let Trump know his Cabinet nominees won't get a free pass.

A Senate Majority Leader with LBJ-type political skills would be in that office on January 21 to hold him up for blackmail: "Look, Don, you're safe from prison. But every Democrat wants you gone, and I've got enough votes to impeach and remove you and remove that protection. So.....this is what's going to happen and what you're going to do. And if you don't, your fat behind is going to the slammer. And if you think we won't do it, J.D. Vance offers us a much better future than do you."
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I agree with nearly all of this. but the highlighted area. Vance doesn't inspire much hope in me to be any different than Trump.
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
The Senate also has been rolling out grenades from time to time to let Trump know his Cabinet nominees won't get a free pass.

A Senate Majority Leader with LBJ-type political skills would be in that office on January 21 to hold him up for blackmail: "Look, Don, you're safe from prison. But every Democrat wants you gone, and I've got enough votes to impeach and remove you and remove that protection. So.....this is what's going to happen and what you're going to do. And if you don't, your fat behind is going to the slammer. And if you think we won't do it, J.D. Vance offers us a much better future than do you."
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It's remarkable. The general tenet has been that a president in his second term becomes a lame duck about halfway through. What just happened in the Congress wrt the CR indicates he's achieved that status before even assuming office. I think the Republicans are already looking over his shoulder and trying to figure out whither after Trump, Vance or someone else. So far, about all I hear out of Vance is "I agree," so IDK if he can think for himself. As an independent with a brain, that's anthema for me...
 
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Its On A Slab said:
I agree with nearly all of this. but the highlighted area. Vance doesn't inspire much hope in me to be any different than Trump.
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Just to be clear, I'm NOT advocating that Vance inspires hope to be different than Trump.

What I mean is, VANCE is eligible to run for President twice more in the future with the party base, Trump is now yesterday's disposable diaper.

My apologies for not being clear.
 
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It's remarkable. The general tenet has been that a president in his second term becomes a lame duck about halfway through. What just happened in the Congress wrt the CR indicates he's achieved that status before even assuming office. I think the Republicans are already looking over his shoulder and trying to figure out whither after Trump, Vance or someone else. So far, about all I hear out of Vance is "I agree," so IDK if he can think for himself. As an independent with a brain, that's anthema for me...
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I don't disagree with this point, but let me say this much about Vance - he has shown remarkable VERSATILITY at forgetting what he said just minutes ago (a la Trump and, if we're honest, Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon).

It's not that I think Vance is some great break; it's the fact he's eligible to try and hold onto the office for his party, Trump isn't.

I recall Nixon saying that as far as DOMESTIC POLICY, you're only President the first year.

Year 2 - Congress abandons you to seek reelection
Year 3 - you lose a bunch of seats so your agenda stalls, and nobody is going to go out on a limb for you
Year 4 - run for reelection
Year 5 - posturing for big midterm wins, your own party readies successor
Year 6 - usually get wiped out
Year 7 - nobody likes you
Year 8 - you're just a placeholder

FOREIGN policy is different (witness Reagan and the Soviet Union his 2nd term), since a war can sprout at any time.
 
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Lets all hope and pray this is what happens...

selmaborntidefan said:
The Senate also has been rolling out grenades from time to time to let Trump know his Cabinet nominees won't get a free pass.

A Senate Majority Leader with LBJ-type political skills would be in that office on January 21 to hold him up for blackmail: "Look, Don, you're safe from prison. But every Democrat wants you gone, and I've got enough votes to impeach and remove you and remove that protection. So.....this is what's going to happen and what you're going to do. And if you don't, your fat behind is going to the slammer. And if you think we won't do it, J.D. Vance offers us a much better future than do you."
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selmaborntidefan said:
Just to be clear, I'm NOT advocating that Vance inspires hope to be different than Trump.

What I mean is, VANCE is eligible to run for President twice more in the future with the party base, Trump is now yesterday's disposable diaper.

My apologies for not being clear.
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Bannon's not giving up. He says he can run yet again - non-consecutive, you know. Let's see, how old would he be then?
 
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Bannon's not giving up. He says he can run yet again - non-consecutive, you know. Let's see, how old would he be then?
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There's a time - oh, about eight or nine years ago - I would have laughed at this.

But I have zero trust in the GOP to actually stand in his way. I'm glad at least some of them are providing SOME resistance now to some things. I guess Musk could primary everyone he's mad at, but all that's going to do is cost the party the majority with a dozen Roy Moore-Dr Oz-Herschel candidates.
 
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selmaborntidefan said:
There's a time - oh, about eight or nine years ago - I would have laughed at this.

But I have zero trust in the GOP to actually stand in his way. I'm glad at least some of them are providing SOME resistance now to some things. I guess Musk could primary everyone he's mad at, but all that's going to do is cost the party the majority with a dozen Roy Moore-Dr Oz-Herschel candidates.
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I used to laugh at Bannon, but I don't now...
 
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I don't really care either way but I also don't believe for one second Texas and Florida would be doing this if Kamala had won.
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Apparently, if I heard correctly, Mike Johnson has directed that whitehouse flags will also be at full staff. I'm not sure how the speaker has any say in that. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Radical right populists deliberately undermining democracy with misinformation
The new study looked at 32 million tweets from parliamentarians from 26 countries over six years and several election periods. The researchers combined this with data on political parties, elections, governments and democracy indicators (from the Parlgov and V-Dem databases), as well as fact-checking sources like Media Bias/Fact Check and Wikipedia’s Fake News list. This allowed them to identify specific patterns linking misinformation to political parties and their ideological leanings. The study shows that radical right populism is the strongest predictor of misinformation dissemination, with neither left-wing populism nor right-wing politics alone significantly linked to misinformation.

However, more recent studies have revealed that most people in fact do not consume or share misinformation. Instead, misinformation is concentrated among specific electoral groups, and often associated with partisan identity or distrust of institutions. The new research therefore suggests studying misinformation as an expression of party politics.

Left-wing populists, by contrast, focus on economic grievances and participatory democracy, making misinformation less central to their communication strategies. Radical right populists, however, emphasise cultural grievances and opposition to democratic norms, creating fertile ground for misinformation to flourish.

Role of alternative media
The study highlights the symbiotic relationship between radical right populists and the competitive attention economy shaped by digital media. ‘Radical right populists have been effective in creating and utilising alternative media ecosystems that amplify their viewpoints, ranging from online news websites and blogs to more traditional forms of media like television and radio, which have been reconfigured to cater to populist radical right narratives.
Radical right populists deliberately undermining democracy with misinformation - Universiteit van Amsterdam
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