Question: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal?

[RedStar]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

You missed the point - what you stated is exactly why I used Tebow as an example.

Tebow is arguably the biggest single player difference maker in college football history.

Even with Alabama missing out on Tebow, Alabama still finished 2 regular seasons unbeaten, won a division crown, won a SEC championship and a BCS national championship - and we were a program that was total disarray just 3 years ago. We even beat Tebow's team to do it.

If we can do all of that even while missing out on someone who truly lived up to his "superman" hype, then we'll be just fine losing any one single recruit.

I understand you're point, and sure we can win without someone like Tebow, we just did. But look at the difference he made at the school he ended up going to. That's why it's odd that you'd bring him up.

We lost Tebow and went 39-15 with 1 SECC and 1 NC without him.
UF landed Tebow and went 48-7 with 2 SECC and 2 NC with him.

Would we have had the same success if he had come here? Who knows. I doubt it because we wouldn't have had someone like Saban at the helm, and Tebow wouldn't have been in the offense that helped make him a star. I'm glad Tebow ended up at UF because of where we are at now.

You're trying to prove your point about one player not making such a big difference, but you try to do that by bringing up arguably one of the best players to ever play the game. It's just an odd piece of evidence that doesn't really help your case.

In actuality, I agree with you wholeheartedly about how we will fare if we lose someone like Allen. KA plays a position that isn't really considered a difference maker on the field in terms of the big picture. WR's are rarely considered to be the key to moving the chains on offense. We'll be fine with or without him.

If we were discussing losing a 5-star QB, or a stud RB, I'd be a little more concerned. But the WR position is one of the least productive positions in our offense.

 

[BlakeSmash]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

When Lane Kiffin pulls your scholarship and UT is hurting that bad for QBs, you might be over hyped. Tahj Boyd was dropped by numerous schools after it came out that he needed to have shoulder surgery. It just really boils down to the Tater hype machine proclaiming him as the next great one, just like they did with Kyle Parker, Willy Korn, Cullen Harper, etc.

I thinks it's pretty interesting how many big time athletes that every other school wants them to play D, Clemson swoops in and promises them they'll be the next big offensive star.

 

[bnhonest]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

Just coming in on this thread and see a lot of folks saying that KA is the deal breaker that will make or break our class? Comparing him to Tebow? Isnt he a DB?

I fail to see the logic of a lock down defensive back making or breaking this class. From what we all saw this season and from the media love that was out there, Eric Berry was the best defensive back in the country this year. But I dont remember seeing Tennessee anywhere where near the top 25 in the rankings this year.

KA is no doubt a great player. And he can certainly help our team win some games in the future. But we are not talking about a player that will touch the ball every play, every series or even every game, like a Tebow would do.

Having said that, I hope he comes here.

 

[wileybb22]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

To me, the juiciest irony of all is that, if Tebow had signed with Shula, he'd be much better prepared for an NFL career. Whatever negatives CMS had, he was a decent QB coach, which is why he's been able to catch on again in the NFl. Tebow would have been running a pro set from under center and that funky throwing motion would have been history. I guess Urban loved Tim too much to ask him to change...

Your correct in your evaluation of Tebow playing in a pro set for 4 years. The scouts have been killing him here in the senior bowl because of his lack of playing time under center. His throwing motion and the fact he holds on to the ball to long.

Properly coached he would be a first round pick or at least ready to play in the NFL. :BigA:

 

[BigEasyTider]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

One thing that gets me is that the two have been separated now for at least two years, and now they're inseparable? I'm afraid mom has given KA marching orders to get his bro a scholly somewhere nearby. I discount the CA angle...

I think you nailed it.

I've thought all along that this really has nothing to do with brotherly love or anything of the sort. This is the rest of the family pressuring the breadwinner into stamping the little weakling's meal ticket. Nothing more.

 

[BigEasyTider]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

When Lane Kiffin pulls your scholarship and UT is hurting that bad for QBs, you might be over hyped. Tahj Boyd was dropped by numerous schools after it came out that he needed to have shoulder surgery. It just really boils down to the Tater hype machine proclaiming him as the next great one, just like they did with Kyle Parker, Willy Korn, Cullen Harper, etc.

I thinks it's pretty interesting how many big time athletes that every other school wants them to play D, Clemson swoops in and promises them they'll be the next big offensive star.

You know, Blake, I know it's probably embedded in your DNA to bash Clemson, but you do bring up some good points. Those guys have had since ridiculously over-hyped players as of late.

Hell, there were Heisman campaigns for Harper and Davis before we exposed them in Atlanta. Not too long after that most of them wanted Korn playing because they thought he was a sure-fire first round draft pick after three years. And now, of course, with Parker the hype is that he is the next Mr. Everything QB, so long as he stays away from MLB's big bucks.

Honestly, the only Clemson player that I know of the past few years that I think legitimately lives up to the hype is Bowers. To me, even Spiller is way overrated.

 

[Tradition4ever]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

Perhaps we should look at this as Bama dodging a bullet. I mean, if the family has made it clear that the only way to get Keenan is to also take on the big brother, well, isn't that handing over a considerable amount of, how should I put this, hand (for all of you Seinfeld fans) to Keenan and his family. I don't know the story behind all of this, and I don't know how much say Keenan actually has in this matter, but consider the following scenario:

Keenan comes in and is the immediate impact star everyone expects him to be. Meanwhile, big brother lands on the scout team and quickly realizes what his true prospects are at a real SEC powerhouse school. big brother is unhappy with this situation and complains to Mom and Dad, or even to little brother. Since using the all-star Keenan to little brother's advantage worked before, the family decides to once again step in and either demand of the coaches a step up for little brother, or they begin to persuade Keenan to ask for a transfer to someplace where big brother can play.

I don't know how likely that scenario is, but I know that I don't like the smell on this situation, and I don't like families that decide to meddle with things like this family seems to have done. These things are just distractions, and could become rather bothersome distractions during a championship run. No doubt Keenan's a great player, but Bama is at a point now where the talent will be there. The coaches and players just need to cut out the distractions and focus. In the end, CNS and his staff will make the right move either way....

 

[BlakeSmash]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

You know, Blake, I know it's probably embedded in your DNA to bash Clemson, but you do bring up some good points. Those guys have had since ridiculously over-hyped players as of late.

:biggrin2:

Hell, there were Heisman campaigns for Harper and Davis before we exposed them in Atlanta. Not too long after that most of them wanted Korn playing because they thought he was a sure-fire first round draft pick after three years. And now, of course, with Parker the hype is that he is the next Mr. Everything QB, so long as he stays away from MLB's big bucks.

There's been some rumblings around Taterland that he might bolt for the MLB as he lost all of his play makers this season. Then the USC gets to break in a new QB for them

Honestly, the only Clemson player that I know of the past few years that I think legitimately lives up to the hype is Bowers. To me, even Spiller is way overrated.

I think Bowers has been a minor disappointment for the Taters, but his ceiling is scary.

 

[bamabryan]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

Just coming in on this thread and see a lot of folks saying that KA is the deal breaker that will make or break our class? Comparing him to Tebow? Isnt he a DB?

If KA comes to Alabama, he will get a look at WR first which I understand is his preference.

 

[p'colabamaman]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

I think the situation involves the family wanting Zach Maynard to get a scholly to a good program more than it does the brothers wanting to play together.

Well, he had a scholly at Buffalo, and as mentioned already, the brothers weren't all that inseparable then. So in spite of the fact that Turner Gill left, why didn't he stay there at Buffalo with his scholly instead of tying himself around KA's neck? I know it's a family matter and we have no say, but the family shouldn't leave it up to KA to find a Scholly for ZM.

 

[BigEasyTider]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

I think Bowers has been a minor disappointment for the Taters, but his ceiling is scary.

He definitely had a rough go of things in 2009 with the knee injury, but I tell you, that guy will probably explode next year.

With his raw athleticism playing against ACC competition, if he stays healthy in 2010, he'll probably end up with 20-25 sacks, 30+ TFLs and then leave early to be a top-three pick in the NFL Draft. Truth be told, kids with that much talent have no real business playing in a bush league like the ACC.

 

[Bama1970]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

He definitely had a rough go of things in 2009 with the knee injury, but I tell you, that guy will probably explode next year.

With his raw athleticism playing against ACC competition, if he stays healthy in 2010, he'll probably end up with 20-25 sacks, 30+ TFLs and then leave early to be a top-three pick in the NFL Draft. Truth be told, kids with that much talent have no real business playing in a bush league like the ACC.

Tru Dat.

 

[HITIDE]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

Here is a thought I haven't seen mentioned........What if Keenan Allen was not available for this years recruiting class? Would Bama not be able to win with the recruiting class we have? KA would be great to have and would make the team better but we will be fine if he decides to go elsewhere.
Another thought.....It could be that CNS knows more about the KA situation than all of us or the media. Unless I am mistaken, the only way Maynard can take the recruiting trips is with his brother....a legitimate recruit (transfer rules are different). This could be just much ado about nothing.

 

[VegasTide]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

Here is a thought I haven't seen mentioned........What if Keenan Allen was not available for this years recruiting class? Would Bama not be able to win with the recruiting class we have? KA would be great to have and would make the team better but we will be fine if he decides to go elsewhere.
Another thought.....It could be that CNS knows more about the KA situation than all of us or the media. Unless I am mistaken, the only way Maynard can take the recruiting trips is with his brother....a legitimate recruit (transfer rules are different). This could be just much ado about nothing.

Agreed... probably much ado about nothing. The fact that there was an in home visit a few nights ago and no word has come out that he has decommitted lends me to believe that there is nothing new to report. Hopefully...

 

[TIDE-HSV]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

Your correct in your evaluation of Tebow playing in a pro set for 4 years. The scouts have been killing him here in the senior bowl because of his lack of playing time under center. His throwing motion and the fact he holds on to the ball to long.

Properly coached he would be a first round pick or at least ready to play in the NFL. :BigA:

I don't fault Meyer for seeing that TT was perfect for his offense, playing out of the shotgun and they had enough OL protection until this year that the ball exposure wasn't a really critical thing. This year, he lost his two perfect go-to receivers and, relatively speaking, the wheels came off, compared to the last several years. It's harsh to say, but I think Meyer knew he was ruining him for a pro career in order to fatten the W/L. I guess there's nothing wrong with that, if the kid understands. Oh well, I wish him the best. BTW, I've heard good things about KA this PM, but I don't really know how much credit to give them...

 

[bnhonest]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

If KA comes to Alabama, he will get a look at WR first which I understand is his preference.

Much of this thread is still acting like he is the second coming of Tebow. If he comes to Bama, we have, what, the second best recruiting class in the nation. If he goes elsewhere, what do we drop to? 3rd? 4th? And I still can't recall a player who plays either of his projected positions who just took over a game. Most of the time, players that do that play QB, RB, DT, DE, or LB.

I'm not playing sour grapes here. I still believe there is a very very good chance he finds himself at Bama. I just dont think a player in his position is one who is going to have huge impact on the team.

I still hope he comes to Bama.

 

[CrimsonEyeshade]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

Much of this thread is still acting like he is the second coming of Tebow. If he comes to Bama, we have, what, the second best recruiting class in the nation. If he goes elsewhere, what do we drop to? 3rd? 4th? And I still can't recall a player who plays either of his projected positions who just took over a game. Most of the time, players that do that play QB, RB, DT, DE, or LB.

I'm not playing sour grapes here. I still believe there is a very very good chance he finds himself at Bama. I just dont think a player in his position is one who is going to have huge impact on the team.

I still hope he comes to Bama.

Safety: Rashad Johnson, Tommy Wilcox.

Receiver: Don Hudson, Ray Perkins, Dennis Homan, Wayne Wheeler, Ozzie Newsom, Freddie Milons, Ty Protho, D.J. Hall, Julio Jones.


Curious, BN, how would you judge the impact of that group?

 

[Charlestontiger]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

It is really a 3 player deal for Clemson and it makes sense. The Tiger's have also been recruiting their cousin Maurice Harris who is a 2011 WR. They also have a possibility at becoming thin at QB. Back up Willy Korn is transferring and starting QB Kyle Parker is a possible 1st round draft pick in baseball this year. If Parker leaves, then Tahj Boyd will be the starting QB and he will be a red shirt freshman. Clemson would be extremely inexperienced at the position and Maynard would make a lot of sense to recruit for the 2nd QB job.

 

[CullmanTide]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

:rolleye2:

It is really a 3 player deal for Clemson and it makes sense. The Tiger's have also been recruiting their cousin Maurice Harris who is a 2011 WR. They also have a possibility at becoming thin at QB. Back up Willy Korn is transferring and starting QB Kyle Parker is a possible 1st round draft pick in baseball this year. If Parker leaves, then Tahj Boyd will be the starting QB and he will be a red shirt freshman. Clemson would be extremely inexperienced at the position and Maynard would make a lot of sense to recruit for the 2nd QB job.

 

[Charlestontiger]

Re: Is Keenan Allen a soft verbal? (Put all discussion of Allen's visits in this thre

One other note. They did not go to NC State for a scheduled visit. And I have not been able to find anything to confirm if they made the trip to Cal.