Any coach who understands the basics of substitution patterns and knows how to run a basic high school offensive scheme would be an upgrade over what we have now..
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Any coach who understands the basics of substitution patterns and knows how to run a basic high school offensive scheme would be an upgrade over what we have now..
Hopefully the intense lobbying has had an effect. I am still not sure the PTB realize how bad it has gotten. This week's Battle Plan shows how insulated the athletic departments attitude can be from the fans. Do they understand that the fans matter? I still think it is like 60-40 against them making a move.
I like Grant as a person, but he had not gotten the job done as a coach. We should not worry about him, since we'll be giving him a 4 million dollar going away gift. He needs to be at a mid major where he can recruit kids who fit his style and can play against inferior teams week in week out.
I like Grant as a person, but he had not gotten the job done as a coach. We should not worry about him, since we'll be giving him a 4 million dollar going away gift. He needs to be at a mid major where he can recruit kids who fit his style and can play against inferior teams week in week out.
That's why if grant is fired, we should look towards Ben Howland.....not sure why people on this board seem to be against hiring him....I understand what happened at ucla with that one player but that, to me is more of a lesson learned than someone like Bruce Pearl cheating with ncaa....Howland is available, and is a very proven coach..never had trouble with ncaa....back to back final fours...why would people overlook that?
The worst thing we do is hire a coach, and he push the program back even further, and we end up losing some of players to transfers.... and I'll say this... We better produce quality wins 20 and plus the next two years if we get a new coach, and I promise, If we don't, I will spend all my free times saying " I TOLD YOU SO" to every single person that will listen to me.. Wait a min....
we really need the dislike button. i truly do not get your loyalty to Grant. are you Grant or his family or his agent? the worst thing that could happen is exactly what has already been happening.
Actually that is not true.....I agree this team has disappointed throughout the years with grant as the coach but things could be MUCH worse like auburn or South Carolina worse......I know we're all disappointed with grant as coach but some of you are disillusioned in thinking this program is rock bottom....moral of the story is, it's bad but it could definitely be worse......I want a coaching change too but there is a risk of us hiring a coach that can be worse than grant....especially if there are no good coaches available....I'm sure auburn thought they were getting a decent coach in tony barbee who had a pretty good record at his last job...we all know how that worked out
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Not that I think Mike Davis is the answer, but he has coached in a sweet 16, elite 8, final 4 and a nc game as a head coach.
Archie Miller at Dayton would be one of my favorites for the job. He is making 300k at Dayton.
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Archie Miller would be a good hire, not a great one, but he'd be given a chance to be successful. Greg Marshall at Wichita State would excite the fan base. The key is we need a good recruiter. It has been proven X's and O's are important, but are secondary to the Jimmy's and Joe's. Coach Cal is not a great coach, he just has way more talent than anyone else in the country hands down. There is plenty enough talent in the southeast tom compete. Prohm would be on my list as well. We'll see. I am still not convinced we are going to make a move.
Huh? You tell me how things could get worse? Chances are if Grant stays this year we lose possibly up to 3 players. So tell me how things could be worse? Not only will we lose some players but now everyone of us that has ever bought tickets and/or season tickets are not coming back. I know I wont be until we show a commitment to b'ball and that starts with firing Grant.
You NAILED it!
The worst thing we do is hire a coach, and he push the program back even further, and we end up losing some of players to transfers.... and I'll say this... We better produce quality wins 20 and plus the next two years if we get a new coach, and I promise, If we don't, I will spend all my free times saying " I TOLD YOU SO" to every single person that will listen to me
Wait what? Grant has pushed the program back even further than CMG did, at least Gottfried made an Elite 8. Transfers you say? How many has Grant lost to transfer? If he stays I imagine we lose EVEN MORE this year! I don't care if you want to gloat or not, but Grant is a joke and will continue to be a joke at Bama. You can bookmark this thread or copy and paste it, whatever you want to do but it wont change the fact Grant is NOT the man for Bama and needs to be canned NOW!
Once again, and big ol LIKE and THANKS and another "nailed it" post.
Yep the stands will be empty, that is even if we can field a team!
I agree. Even during CMG's years I remember Coleman being pretty packed for games. It will look like a library next year if Grant stays.
I'll help you for free, and you can fire me if we don't have a winning season or make the Dance in those 3 years.....lol
Anyone that would blame Bama for Grant not producing simply has blinders on. He makes pretty good money to lose and not make the tourney.
There are plenty of mid-major coaches that can coach.
As for Pearl yea he is slime but he puts butts in the seats and wins a few games, I'm a huge Tar Heel fan and even I would say heck no on Larry Brown. He is currently being investigated at SMU.
All one needs to look at with Howland is how he handled the UCLA job. He couldn't handle it. Recruiting would be tougher here than at Westwood or Pitt. Nothing about Howland makes me giddy with joy.
I agree with you. He acts like he is Grant himself or Grant's kid. I agree with you as well, NOTHING could be worse than us keeping Grant another year. Letting him come back and coach is only going to make things worse for the next coach.
The barn will not be down for long. They'll win more games next year than we will with Grant. As for rock bottom we are pretty much there. We have no shot at making the NCAA Tournament, much less winning a few games and getting a buzz going like we did when Bama and UAB was in the Elite 8. With what we are currently paying coaches will come wanting a job.
When our best year is 25-12 and that only got us into the NIT and the finals that tells you enough. That is Grant's "GREATEST ACHIEVEMENT" if you want to call it that. Sad.
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I really don't appreciate this comment at all. I never said I was loyal to him, nor did I said I would fight for him to stay at Alabama. If you scolled up to earlier posts, you would see a statement where I said that I can understand why lot of people would want him out at Alabama...
I'm simply saying that this is a situation where it is catch-22 for UA Administration, the team (players) and Anthony Grant as well. Like Tide HSV said, if Grant stayed, we may lose some players to transfer... but If Grant is gone, we also will see some transfer either way. This goes back to what I was saying in the first place, that everyone better hope that they will hire a coach that can win right away, because the next two -three years.... As a Fan, either this makes us look good.. or stupid in the end... There will be lot of " I told you so" from lot of people if we mess up the next coach.
DzynKingTRTR, please in the near future, don't attack people just because they state their opinions and you don't like it.
I'm simply saying that this is a situation where it is catch-22 for UA Administration, the team (players) and Anthony Grant as well. Like Tide HSV said, if Grant stayed, we may lose some players to transfer... but If Grant is gone, we also will see some transfer either way. This goes back to what I was saying in the first place, that everyone better hope that they will hire a coach that can win right away, because the next two -three years.... As a Fan, either this makes us look good.. or stupid in the end... There will be lot of " I told you so" from lot of people if we mess up the next coach.
DzynKingTRTR, please in the near future, don't attack people just because they state their opinions and you don't like it.
Dude he didn't attack you. The only bad part of his post was "are you Grant or his family or his agent?". The rest he simply said he disliked your post. What is wrong with that?
And what makes you so certain we will have players transfer out if we fire Grant? I would highly doubt we lose any unless they hired someone like me to be the coach. I will say this, we will lose MORE players if we keep Grant than we would if we fired him today.
As for the new coach winning next year we don't "have" to win next year. We just need a coach that will recruit the state as well as the AAU/JUCO trail and not run his own players off. Our bench problems have been Grant's own fault. There is not one fact you can throw out there that helps Grant's case other than maybe graduation rates because he is not churning out wins.....
And what makes you so certain we will have players transfer out if we fire Grant? I would highly doubt we lose any unless they hired someone like me to be the coach. I will say this, we will lose MORE players if we keep Grant than we would if we fired him today.
As for the new coach winning next year we don't "have" to win next year. We just need a coach that will recruit the state as well as the AAU/JUCO trail and not run his own players off. Our bench problems have been Grant's own fault. There is not one fact you can throw out there that helps Grant's case other than maybe graduation rates because he is not churning out wins.....
So long as it ain't a straight-up swap that gives 'Bama Oliver Purnell in return - had to be one of about three D1 coaches neck-and-neck with Grant for in-game cluelessness. Both of 'em would make Murry Bartow look like John Wooden. Which is a segue for saying, to get rid of Grant and at least refresh the program, almost anybody would at least be a jump-start for the coma Grant's put it in - maybe even Howland as bandied for the job.
Even though I've shown my disgust for Howland in this thread, I want Grant gone so bad I would even take Howland.
Let's be clear everybody.....let's stop throwing the phrase "rock bottom" unless u know the true definition.....18-14 and a NIT appearance is NOT rock bottom.....multiple losing seasons with losing conference records with no post season play is rock bottom.....we are not there yet.....auburn under barbee was rock bottom....grants tenure does not resemble that AT ALL
And let me say this, in no way am I saying I don't want a coaching change, I'm just as disappointed with grant as everybody on this board is....I'm just tired of seeing "rock bottom" thrown around when it doesn't resemble where the program is
And let me say this, in no way am I saying I don't want a coaching change, I'm just as disappointed with grant as everybody on this board is....I'm just tired of seeing "rock bottom" thrown around when it doesn't resemble where the program is
When we are NOT one of the top 68 teams in the nation, it is rock bottom. We have no reason why we shouldn't be making the tournament every year. Going to the NIT is garbage to me because it means nothing. All that is, is getting a few more practices in.
It's like expecting us to be happy in football for making the Birmingham Bowl.
It's like expecting us to be happy in football for making the Birmingham Bowl.
After we went to Xavier and got hammered I got the feeling this wasn't our year. I tried to tune out basketball this year but have watched most of the games. As a program we have no identity. We waste time on offense dribbling around, often times have to throw up shots at the end of the shot clock. We don't shoot particularly well and our defensive stats wouldn't be as impressive if we didn't run such a slow offense. Early in his tenure we pressed and played transition basketball. Where has that gone? You have to think 6 yrs in we would have the depth if he could keep players. Insert whatever Trevor Lacey dig you want but his production this year shows that successful players can't thrive in our program. At this point our basketball program with Grant is going nowhere. We need to try something different. Bobby Hurley at Buffalo would be an interesting option.
OK, let's compromise - "rock bottom" in the modern era of Alabama basketball. And that apparently was a deep enough drop to churn the groundswell of fanbase discontent that got Grant fired, from the breaking news above.
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