Border thread part II

Sorry, but wanted to add:

Getting something is better than getting nothing. Taking your ball and going home accomplishes nothing.
The half measures aren't solving the problem. I get what you are saying, but when a balanced solution is available and the population would be overwhelmingly for it we should do it. Maybe I'm being to pie in the sky, but I want it solved and it's just not that hard. We have many other problems that are much more difficult.
 
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I agree, but it was attempted solely because one side (we know which one) refuses to take on comprehensive reform (and now small measure reforms as well).

I'm not surprised we agree on the big picture at all.

The details can be compromised and not everyone will get everything they want.

This has been a good faith discussion. I like it.

I wish we all held our representatives to a standard to engage in good faith negotiations and focused on that instead of rehashing the divisive talking points of idiot politicians.
I do think you are giving Dems too much credit. They have their golden calves as well. I'm not defending the Reps. they have many faults in this specific area.

I agree this has been a good faith exchange. I enjoyed it.
 
The half measures aren't solving the problem. I get what you are saying, but when a balanced solution is available and the population would be overwhelmingly for it we should do it. Maybe I'm being to pie in the sky, but I want it solved and it's just not that hard. We have many other problems that are much more difficult.
The downside to fixing problems is that Democrats and Republicans lose the ability to campaign on them. The abortion issue largely works the same way (among a host of other issues.) It’s ironic because a lot of people go to the polls stating they want to “fire the do-nothings” but, of course, don’t because they keep falling for the same “vote for me to change/protect issue X” idiocy they fell for in the last election.
 
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Imo, Republicans won't allow immigration reform ever as long as they have some legislative leverage. They had their whoops with outlawing abortion and they are seeing that gradually backfire on them. They are inflaming immigration to overcome their political misstep with abortion.

If abortion becomes legalized and immigration reform is achieved, what are the Republicans gonna have to enrage their base?
The half measures aren't solving the problem. I get what you are saying, but when a balanced solution is available and the population would be overwhelmingly for it we should do it. Maybe I'm being to pie in the sky, but I want it solved and it's just not that hard. We have many other problems that are much more difficult.
The bill was skewed closer to republican desires than democratic ones. Lankford is far from a bleeding heart liberal.
 
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The bill was skewed closer to republican desires than democratic ones. Lankford is far from a bleeding heart liberal.
It still didn’t deal with what it should have. The dreamers were left out, the guest worker program, actually securing the border, putting real teeth to penalties for companies employing illegals after the new system is in place, and I could go on. It would have done a few god things but the most important things weren’t involved at all.
 
It still didn’t deal with what it should have. The dreamers were left out, the guest worker program, actually securing the border, putting real teeth to penalties for companies employing illegals after the new system is in place, and I could go on. It would have done a few god things but the most important things weren’t involved at all.
But better than the alternative of nothing and it would have passed except for pandering to the mango moron.
 

“It would be horrible for many immigrant folks, as well as non-immigrants, because it would target us as well. I have citizenship and I could get pulled over and asked for my papers,” Mondragón says.

“Because we look different, we have dark hair, we have dark-colored skin, now we can be detained by the police, and they have the right to ask me for my documents, without me doing anything wrong?” she says. “It’s not something that you want to hear in 2024.”
 
Everything old is new again.

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Half of Americans — including 42% of Democrats — say they'd support mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, according to a new Axios Vibes survey by The Harris Poll.

And 30% of Democrats — as well as 46% of Republicans — now say they'd end birthright citizenship, something guaranteed under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.
 
And a very sizeable number of those are supporting trump at the expense of Biden.
Illegals aren't supposed to be voting, so ideally, it wouldn't effect either man. Of course, if illegals ARE voting, we've got bigger problems than most wish to acknowledge.
 
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