Bama Coordinator Search Thread

[rolltide7854]

If Freeze is hired as the OC I hope Joey Freshwater took his little black book with him.

 

[westide]

It is sanctimonious and judgmental. How many here personally know Freeze and what is in his heart? Zero. However, Coach Saban does know him personally and is friends with him. So I guess you better discuss character with him. smh

Many speak of freeze's character, but what about our character? I believe being compassionate and willing to forgive are not only good character traits, but essential traits for a Christian. It is easy to talk about it, but much harder to actually demonstrate. Sure, there should be negative consequences for bad behavior. I would have to believe that Freeze has already paid a hefty price fro his actions. He has publicly acknowledged his inappropriate behavior and has asked God, his family, and the Ole Miss community for forgiveness. My reasoning is that Saban would first offer a position as an analyst. I can understand those that want time for Freeze to earn their trust. Saban knows Freeze a lot better than us and if he trusted Freeze as the OC I would not have a problem with that decision. Saban has said his job is to help shape the character of the young men who come to play at Alabama. He has demonstrated more compassion and willingness to forgive than many self-righteous people. If CNS hires Freeze he will certainly take heat from fans, the media, and many others. I believe he has the character and courage to do what he feels is right.[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif][/FONT]

 

[B1GTide]

I thought he got them for recruits ? Or was it both ?

Some have speculated that he got these for recruits. Not sure that anyone really believes it.

 

[uaintn]

I'm not judging him, but you do realize that he was caught red handed, right? These are not allegations - he cheated on his wife with paid escorts.

I find it very unsettling. What do you tell the parents of recruits? We spend a lot of time, especially in camp, bringing in speakers to help the players on the team make good choices and try to develop their characters in the right ways -- commit to your education, stay away from drugs, no violence against women, control your temper on and off the field, manage your finances, respect others. We appear to be very successful at this.

And you stir into that soup someone who cheated at recruiting, lied about, well, everything, scheduled prostitutes to meet him on recruiting trips, hung assistants out to dry, etc.

 

[crimsonman38]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

 

[KrAzY3]

For me its not really the NCAA stuff. 1st if anyone is sanctimonious it's Hugh Freeze and his "I'm so persecuted" nonsense. 2nd I don't know what he did in his HS days but the allegations that he was a creep give me pause. Do I know for sure that Hugh Freeze did anything sketchy? No. But I rather not risk having him at Bama. I'm sure there are plenty of qualified people out there.

Well, as long as it isn't illegal, I'm still less worried about what consenting adults do than I am about breaking NCAA rules. The high school stuff sounds weird, but I went to Christian schools, they're often messed up places, sounds about par for the course unfortunately. I'm not going to defend his behavior though...

 

[B1GTide]

I find it very unsettling. What do you tell the parents of recruits?

That is an area that I simply have no clue about. I do know that if I had a son looking to play for Saban, the hire of Freeze wouldn't concern me at all.

 

[LeBron47]

It is incredible, and probably won’t be replicated in our lifetimes. He is the greatest coach, but there has been credible information that suggests him and Daboll had a difference of opinion on who the qb should be. These reports really have riled people up because it’s starting to show a side of CNS many aren’t comfortable with.

I hadn’t heard that about Kiffin. Actually I think it was Cooper Bateman, not Cornwell, that started and completed a few passes (to our guys) at the start of that game. Bad day.

Absolutely correct it was Bateman and yes he had a bad day. It was rumored Lane wanted the change.

 

[bigjue24]

Goodness, not to high-speed rail this one to NS, but how one earth do you know what the man has repented of or not?

You know what, don't answer it - I'm not sure you're in the right state of mind to not cross the line on this one.

That said, I'll step back and let all you sinless people start casting stones.

SMH

I do think you will get Locksley as OC and Freeze will be an analyst. CNS obviously likes Freeze and wants to help him, and I understand this. I've had a good friend that worked for me make a dumb decision. I had to let him go, but I did my best to help him moving forward with severance and a good recommendation for a job in a different field that I thought was a better fit for him. Things have worked out well for him and I'm glad. Maybe an analyst position leads to another chance for Freeze here or somewhere else as an on field coach.

The DC will be Tosh. Golding is a promising young coach, and I think CNS is bringing in younger guys to bring energy and recruiting to program, and they will gain experience and knowledge of the process so he can promote them or bring them back at a later date.

 

[mlh]

The DC will be Tosh. Golding is a promising young coach, and I think CNS is bringing in younger guys to bring energy and recruiting to program, and they will gain experience and knowledge of the process so he can promote them or bring them back at a later date.

Let the processing begin.

 

[NationalTitles18]

Many speak of freeze's character, but what about our character? I believe being compassionate and willing to forgive are not only good character traits, but essential traits for a Christian. It is easy to talk about it, but much harder to actually demonstrate. Sure, there should be negative consequences for bad behavior. I would have to believe that Freeze has already paid a hefty price fro his actions. He has publicly acknowledged his inappropriate behavior and has asked God, his family, and the Ole Miss community for forgiveness. My reasoning is that Saban would first offer a position as an analyst. I can understand those that want time for Freeze to earn their trust. Saban knows Freeze a lot better than us and if he trusted Freeze as the OC I would not have a problem with that decision. Saban has said his job is to help shape the character of the young men who come to play at Alabama. He has demonstrated more compassion and willingness to forgive than many self-righteous people. If CNS hires Freeze he will certainly take heat from fans, the media, and many others. I believe he has the character and courage to do what he feels is right.

"Christian" has nothing - nothing! - to do with a business decision. Or with protecting oneself from potential harm with someone has a reputation (and a deserved one at that) for bringing or allowing such harm. And "Christian" should not be used as an excuse to simply "enable" someone to do new wrongs or protect them from the consequences of their past wrongs (not accusing you of saying this, to be clear). Exactly how and where that applies to Freeze or anyone else depends on the particulars. I have my own thoughts on Freeze, even though I understand I have formed my opinions on limited information.

But the bottom line here is risk tolerance when it comes to hiring Freeze assuming the other boxes are checked (like does he fit in?). Qualifications are not an issue at all. Risk tolerance does matter. What is the risk? Is the organization willing to tolerate the risk?

 

[Special K]

Many speak of freeze's character, but what about our character? I believe being compassionate and willing to forgive are not only good character traits, but essential traits for a Christian. It is easy to talk about it, but much harder to actually demonstrate. Sure, there should be negative consequences for bad behavior. I would have to believe that Freeze has already paid a hefty price fro his actions. He has publicly acknowledged his inappropriate behavior and has asked God, his family, and the Ole Miss community for forgiveness. My reasoning is that Saban would first offer a position as an analyst. I can understand those that want time for Freeze to earn their trust. Saban knows Freeze a lot better than us and if he trusted Freeze as the OC I would not have a problem with that decision. Saban has said his job is to help shape the character of the young men who come to play at Alabama. He has demonstrated more compassion and willingness to forgive than many self-righteous people. If CNS hires Freeze he will certainly take heat from fans, the media, and many others. I believe he has the character and courage to do what he feels is right.

This is a great post and made me rethink the whole situation in more depth, thank you. I'm still not sure bringing him aboard is the right thing to do, but I'm willing to say those who are closest to the situation have the best view of the real story.

 

[JustNeedMe81]

"Christian" has nothing - nothing! - to do with a business decision. Or with protecting oneself from potential harm with someone has a reputation (and a deserved one at that) for bringing or allowing such harm. And "Christian" should not be used as an excuse to simply "enable" someone to do new wrongs or protect them from the consequences of their past wrongs (not accusing you of saying this, to be clear). Exactly how and where that applies to Freeze or anyone else depends on the particulars. I have my own thoughts on Freeze, even though I understand I have formed my opinions on limited information.

But the bottom line here is risk tolerance when it comes to hiring Freeze assuming the other boxes are checked (like does he fit in?). Qualifications are not an issue at all. Risk tolerance does matter. What is the risk? Is the organization willing to tolerate the risk?

But it does.....according to some posters.

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[Chukker Veteran]

"Christian" has nothing - nothing! - to do with a business decision. Or with protecting oneself from potential harm with someone has a reputation (and a deserved one at that) for bringing or allowing such harm. And "Christian" should not be used as an excuse to simply "enable" someone to do new wrongs or protect them from the consequences of their past wrongs (not accusing you of saying this, to be clear). Exactly how and where that applies to Freeze or anyone else depends on the particulars. I have my own thoughts on Freeze, even though I understand I have formed my opinions on limited information.

But the bottom line here is risk tolerance when it comes to hiring Freeze assuming the other boxes are checked (like does he fit in?). Qualifications are not an issue at all. Risk tolerance does matter. What is the risk? Is the organization willing to tolerate the risk?

Great post. I see carder24 is doing his neg thing. How special of him.

 

[rgw]

If by the estimation of the NCAA his faults were with lack of oversight and he didn't actually design and manage their cheating schemes then I don't think our risk factors are all that high. I'm concerned by the potential hire but this is the kind of program that can keep him in check. Saban is proactive with what his staff do in all things.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Not a fan of the idea of Freeze coming onboard in any capacity. Sure Kiffin and Sark weren't perfect, but their transgressions were fairly isolated to addictions, if truth be told. Freeze is sitting on a mountain of fodder to be used against the University in recruiting and broadcasting that no amount of his contributions to a winning season could overcome


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[KrAzY3]

My opinion really doesn't matter, but I'd love Freeze as an analyst hire. That effectively gives him a time out and allows him to be monitored before a more active role would be considered. As a coordinator, as an active recruiter, I'd feel pretty uncomfortable. I'm not the one making that call, but stashing him seems like a great emergency plan, immediately giving him an active role seems like a much bigger risk.

 

[AlexanderFan]

Todd Haley is now available. Top ten NFL offensive numbers for a few consecutive years, career quarterback stats, and consecutive years of having a 100 reception receiver.


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[RedWave]

Not a fan of the idea of Freeze coming onboard in any capacity. Sure Kiffin and Sark weren't perfect, but their transgressions were fairly isolated to addictions, if truth be told. Freeze is sitting on a mountain of fodder to be used against the University in recruiting and broadcasting that no amount of his contributions to a winning season could overcome


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Curious, what kind of addiction did Kiffin have? I know all about Sark and his alcohol, but I have never heard Kiffin and addition used in the same sentence.

 

[B1GTide]

Todd Haley is now available. Top ten NFL offensive numbers for a few consecutive years, career quarterback stats, and consecutive years of having a 100 reception receiver.

Can't see him leaving the NFL.